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Rorquals In Incursions?
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Batuka
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2016-12-09 12:21:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Batuka
ok so recently i noticed titans supers and other capitals can enter incursions this has made this part of the game 10x as fun but to me i cannot understand why a titan can but a rorqual cannot enter the sites maybe would be a good idea to look into it ?
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#2 - 2016-12-09 12:47:41 UTC
I can't speak to the reasoning by CCP, but I can give you a fun fact about the rorq. Dropping one in a sleeper site allowed you to bring capital remote reps onto the field without triggering a capital escalation back in the day. The rorq was also the best salvager ever in the high dps environment of C5 and C6 escallations. The large wh groups (the same ones that came up with the misguided mass/range logic that totally backfired) felt a need to lobby for and get C5/C6 escallations into an odd spot that players now suffer through instead of enjoy. I'm not sure of the state of sleeper escallations since then - I think guys just use rr battleships and don't bother with capitals. I lost interest, so I'm not sure.


What I'm saying as it pertains to your thread is that the game doesn't see the rorq as a capital ship in the same way that it sees dreads, carriers and supers. The answer maybe lies somewhere in that. Also keep in mind that sometimes what some folks think is a great idea only proves their inability to think things through. I'm not incursion or rorq savvy enough to weigh in on this, so I'm just leaving some general things to consider.



I'm not big on the attributes of the rorq at this point. I'll just say I hope this isn't some attempt to get an improved afk farming ship into incursions. Can you expand on why you want the rorq to get into an incursion? 'because it currently can't' isn't really enough for me to support it. Dev time being what it is, there are plenty of 'because it should' items to be worked on - which I feel have more value than 'because it can't' stuff.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#3 - 2016-12-09 13:31:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
Serendipity Lost wrote:
Also keep in mind that sometimes what some folks think is a great idea only proves their inability to think things through..

I am totally convinced that he thought this through and the biggest reasoning behind his request remains unmentioned. Likely something along the lines of 10 Rorqs running Null sec incursion sites without the need for logis because they are completely invulnerable and cyno immune on the sites, while dishing out 800+ DPS per ship with heavy drones. Roll

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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#4 - 2016-12-09 13:42:07 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Serendipity Lost wrote:
Also keep in mind that sometimes what some folks think is a great idea only proves their inability to think things through..

I am totally convinced that he thought this through and the biggest reasoning behind his request remains unmentioned. Likely something along the lines of 10 Rorqs running Null sec incursion sites without the need for logis because they are completely invulnerable and cyno immune on the sites, while dishing out 800+ DPS per ship with heavy drones. Roll



BAZINGA!

So rorq's have a 'don't cyno on me' feature??? This would only make sense if they took the crutch players know as LOCAL CHAT out of the SOV null area of the game. I can't really see changing one without changing the other.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#5 - 2016-12-09 13:47:18 UTC
No, they themselves do not but the incursion sites are gated or in other words deadspace where you cannot light cynos.

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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2016-12-09 14:27:59 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
No, they themselves do not but the incursion sites are gated or in other words deadspace where you cannot light cynos.


And incursions are cyno jammed anyway...
FireFrenzy
Cynosural Samurai
#7 - 2016-12-09 14:51:26 UTC  |  Edited by: FireFrenzy
I've anchored a preloaded TCRC in my shopping trolly orca, and fully plan on using my bowhead one day (those Pith X hardners exist for a reason :P) i feel this should be allowed...

Also thats the last time an FC told me "take the gate in that orca dude it'll be fun" they wanted to know 15 seconds later why i wasnt in warp yet and "i'm bumping a vindi out of the way" wasnt the answer they wanted somehow... "TOO LATE NOW *****" was ofcourse screamed as the orca bumped the vindi out of the way and took the gate"
FT Cold
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2016-12-09 20:42:39 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
I can't speak to the reasoning by CCP, but I can give you a fun fact about the rorq. Dropping one in a sleeper site allowed you to bring capital remote reps onto the field without triggering a capital escalation back in the day. The rorq was also the best salvager ever in the high dps environment of C5 and C6 escallations. The large wh groups (the same ones that came up with the misguided mass/range logic that totally backfired) felt a need to lobby for and get C5/C6 escallations into an odd spot that players now suffer through instead of enjoy. I'm not sure of the state of sleeper escallations since then - I think guys just use rr battleships and don't bother with capitals. I lost interest, so I'm not sure.


Correct, very few players currently run 5/6 sites with caps. 90%+ of the sites income is tied up in the regular sleepers and drifter, while 1.5 million sleeper ehp is tied up in the first escalation wave alone, for less than 10% more income. For the people that do them, it's usually an issue of not having the right skills or enough characters available.
David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2016-12-17 03:31:13 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Serendipity Lost wrote:
Also keep in mind that sometimes what some folks think is a great idea only proves their inability to think things through..

I am totally convinced that he thought this through and the biggest reasoning behind his request remains unmentioned. Likely something along the lines of 10 Rorqs running Null sec incursion sites without the need for logis because they are completely invulnerable and cyno immune on the sites, while dishing out 800+ DPS per ship with heavy drones. Roll


ccp let him bring rorquals in to wormhole sites

the rest of us can enjoy killing them

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Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2016-12-18 22:38:50 UTC
Well even in a less capital heavy fleet environment rorqual still enables ton of repping power while bringing a decent dps to the field so having one in an incursion site, especially now that you have capital prop mods, would be nice. I would go for it, low and null incursions need further encouragment since they are ridiculously profitable.

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2016-12-19 16:41:35 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Likely something along the lines of 10 Rorqs running Null sec incursion sites without the need for logis because they are completely invulnerable and cyno immune on the sites, while dishing out 800+ DPS per ship with heavy drones. Roll

Why is that a problem when you can already bring in Carriers (and presumably FAux)? Same invulnerability (or greater), and MUCH higher DPS.

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