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New Eden Trade Group in need of loans
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The Fukuzawa
New Eden Trade Group
#61 - 2016-11-27 03:57:22 UTC  |  Edited by: The Fukuzawa
When did I say I can't afford it, I'm worth hundreds of billions of isk, not including the isk I have borrowed.

I simply don't want to use assets for collateral at the moment, it is not always the smartest thing to do.

! ! ! New Eden Trade Group is paying monthly interest to investors, contact me if interested ! ! !

If you already assume we are scammers without looking at what we offer objectively, go ahead and F*** off.

Thank you, that is all.
Toobo
Project Fruit House
#62 - 2016-12-06 04:59:18 UTC
hm..... I was browsing through the recent MD posts and ran across this - I must have missed it.

Here is a simple fact.

RAW23 managed to get uncollateralised bond recently, right here on MD.

You are not getting any loans from anyone, right here on MD.

I don't know, I'm in the middle of my first bond and my bond is fully collateralised and the collateral is held by the most (perhaps now the only?) trusted third party in EVE. Actually, some of the very same people who posted here being skeptical about loaning to you have invested in my bond. So there obviously is a way to get this done. Either be like RAW23 and be able to get uncollateralised loans, or be like me (a scrub XD) and offer collateral.

Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#63 - 2016-12-06 21:10:47 UTC
Toobo wrote:
RAW23 managed to get uncollateralised bond recently, right here on MD.

RAW23 is one of the worst scammers on MD.

If you give him ISK, don't expect to get the same amount back.
Dethmourne Silvermane
Fliet Pizza Delivery
Of Essence
#64 - 2016-12-06 23:28:54 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Toobo wrote:
RAW23 managed to get uncollateralised bond recently, right here on MD.

RAW23 is one of the worst scammers on MD.

If you give him ISK, don't expect to get the same amount back.


Yeah, that scammer, giving me more than I give him...

Interested Party (TM)
Natalia Petronovska
Doomheim
#65 - 2016-12-07 04:34:46 UTC
Once I get some capital up, I plan on doing investments but it seems the offers go very quickly and it is a select few that have the actual capital to do it. So at what point (isk wise) can you start doing investments?
Toobo
Project Fruit House
#66 - 2016-12-07 05:37:40 UTC
Hm I dunno RAW23 personally and I never invested or got investment from him so I don't know what to say about that.

But my point about having collateral is still valid I think. For example. Bad Bobby, is a known scammer for sure lol. But he invested in my bond because (I think) my bond had proper collateral held by a well trusted third party. It probably didn't matter to him who I was.

And I probably would do the same if the situation was reversed. I wouldn't mind investing/lending to a known scammer if the collateral is legit and is held by someone I can definitely trust.

And even if someone really is a scammer, there are different relationships that can put things into different perspectives. I know of people in EVE who have history of scamming and theft, but my relationships with them stretch well beyond EVE, both in the number of years and in the ways we've known each other, so 'for me' they are as trust-able as anyone can be.

I can't judge someone I don't know, so I don't really know what to think of RAW23. It was just general observation from what I've seen, but yeah, people probably shouldn't take that as an advice (but I don't think anybody takes it that way heh).

Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#67 - 2016-12-07 22:53:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Toobo wrote:
I can't judge someone I don't know, so I don't really know what to think of RAW23. It was just general observation from what I've seen, but yeah, people probably shouldn't take that as an advice (but I don't think anybody takes it that way heh).

/facepalm Roll

I really don't want to post this, as it ruins the joke, but I owe it to RAW23 that investors understand it was a joke.

I'd trust RAW23 with my ISK, if I had any to invest, though I have never invested any ISK with him before. RAW23 has a long history of successful investment offerings, and for larger amounts than I've ever dealt with.


For the humor-impaired:

The "worst scammer" is a double entendre, i.e. it has two meanings: "most incompetent scammer", or "most competent scammer."

I of course meant that RAW23 was the most incompetent scammer, since he gives people more ISK than they give him; competent scammers don't do that. At least Dethmourne Silvermane may have understood the joke.

Given that RAW23 up-voted my post, I assume he also understood my tongue-in-cheek phrasing.

Still, I apologize to RAW23 for any harm caused, and to all readers for derailing this thread with my poor attempt at humor.
Toobo
Project Fruit House
#68 - 2016-12-08 01:31:52 UTC
lol Tau, Thanks for the clarification. I was a bit taken back when 'I thought' you were actually accusing RAW23 of scamming, because I had no dealings with him but I've never seen anyone claim that here before. I really do need 'explanation for idiots' to make sense of things at times heh XD

Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
Princess Adhara
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2016-12-08 02:50:35 UTC
Toobo wrote:
lol Tau, Thanks for the clarification. I was a bit taken back when 'I thought' you were actually accusing RAW23 of scamming, because I had no dealings with him but I've never seen anyone claim that here before. I really do need 'explanation for idiots' to make sense of things at times heh XD


RAW's posts don't fit well with a scammer... OP's, on the other hand...Blink
The Fukuzawa
New Eden Trade Group
#70 - 2016-12-08 03:37:56 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Toobo wrote:
RAW23 managed to get uncollateralised bond recently, right here on MD.

RAW23 is one of the worst scammers on MD.

If you give him ISK, don't expect to get the same amount back.



Def a d*** move making this post in the first place. I get there was no bad intention, but very easy to misinterpret.

! ! ! New Eden Trade Group is paying monthly interest to investors, contact me if interested ! ! !

If you already assume we are scammers without looking at what we offer objectively, go ahead and F*** off.

Thank you, that is all.
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#71 - 2016-12-08 03:41:59 UTC
RAW23
#72 - 2016-12-08 13:57:04 UTC
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
Is this the thread where I can throw more money at RAW23?



That's a few threads down!

Tau wrote:

Still, I apologize to RAW23 for any harm caused, and to all readers for derailing this thread with my poor attempt at humor.


Nothing to apologise for at all! I was tempted to make a 'This week, on when jokes go bad ...' post but I was pretty sure things would sort themselves out. I made pretty much the same joke about myself once and got pretty much the same responseSmile

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
flakeys
Doomheim
#73 - 2016-12-08 17:29:07 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
Natalia Petronovska wrote:
Once I get some capital up, I plan on doing investments but it seems the offers go very quickly and it is a select few that have the actual capital to do it. So at what point (isk wise) can you start doing investments?



Dom't bother unless you have tens of billions doing nothing , and even then i wouldn't advice it.The return rate these days is just godawfull.Unless you want to do it for ''roleplaying purpose'' then by all means do so.


On a sidenote stop boosting your rep with your alts RAW , honestly darknesss didn't walk away with that much so you don't need to go down the 3rd party road .... Lol.And could you stop linking old threads , you are getting me in a sad mood seeing all those names of old and now gone awayCry.

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Angelica Everstar
#74 - 2016-12-08 18:20:50 UTC
I almost feel like I should follow though on my loan idea, after reading this train wreak...

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RAW23
#75 - 2016-12-08 18:46:09 UTC  |  Edited by: RAW23
flakeys wrote:


On a sidenote stop boosting your rep with your alts RAW , honestly darknesss didn't walk away with that much so you don't need to go down the 3rd party road ....


Given the recent discussion it might be worth pointing out that this is also a joke ..

Quote:

Lol.And could you stop linking old threads , you are getting me in a sad mood seeing all those names of old and now gone awayCry.



Never! Dial up the Nostalgia Machine to full power men!

Although it is kind of sad that a single thread could see in a day back then the same activity this whole forum sees in a week now. I blame Setrak for his anti-bonds crusade. Straight

Incidentally, I found Mme. Pinkerton in a plex the other day. We had a nice chat and then she killed me.

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
Natalia Petronovska
Doomheim
#76 - 2016-12-10 11:09:25 UTC
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
Is this the thread where I can throw more money at RAW23?

You can throw some my way. I wouldn't be offended.
Careby
#77 - 2016-12-11 14:17:36 UTC
flakeys wrote:
...Dom't bother unless you have tens of billions doing nothing , and even then i wouldn't advice it.The return rate these days is just godawfull.Unless you want to do it for ''roleplaying purpose'' then by all means do so...


I have another reason, which may or may not apply to anyone else. Removing as much ISK as possible from my control may be the safest thing I can do for it.
flakeys
Doomheim
#78 - 2016-12-12 16:09:17 UTC
Careby wrote:
flakeys wrote:
...Dom't bother unless you have tens of billions doing nothing , and even then i wouldn't advice it.The return rate these days is just godawfull.Unless you want to do it for ''roleplaying purpose'' then by all means do so...


I have another reason, which may or may not apply to anyone else. Removing as much ISK as possible from my control may be the safest thing I can do for it.




Heh yeah well that also is a good reason do to it ;p.Luckily i'm tight on what i am spending , though usually not tight on what i am handing out as freebies to others.Overall i gave more stuff away then i actually used myself from when i started playing to now.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.