Ships & Modules

to jump to a cyno you need to be in fleet with the pilot that light it up.

you don't need a big alliance to run blops, many low sec alliances have pilots that use blops etc.
"Bombers bar" instead run pubblic fleets, always with stealth bombers etc

well yea correct......

but you can achieve that with 2 pilots, JF and cyno (jumping into lowsec on the way back and taking gate for highsec)
be aware that people can gank a JF in highsec even if empty, just for fun.

better switch into a freighter when from lowsec too highsec

guerilla vietnam hit and run

something like that

OK! Terrifying Sin is now in my hangar. I will test it in level 4 missions soon as a direct upgrade from Dominix!

PS. What does "Enter Starbase Forcefield Password" mean?

Erm. It's no such thing. The closest thing to a direct upgrade to the Dominix is the Thanatos. The Sin is a definite sidegrade. They do different things and wedging one in to the other's role is either impossible or a bad idea depending.

All the coolness with black ops aside...

moving a T3 to null is not extremely hard. Covert ops, interdiction nullifier and maybe even a couple warp stabs should make your odds fairly good. Then bring a mobile depot and subsystems/modules for refitting.

just my 2 cents

Hi again!

I created new alt. What limited set of skills is needed for expendable cyno alt?

That's great covert cyno alt skill-set but a distant perspective for me at that point. Now I want to quickly train non-covert cyno alt.

You can do all you say, theoretically , it all works, and I know people who use BLOPs to 'move things around' in null and stuff, so people do use them not strictly for combat/quick gank drops, they have many situational uses.

But unless losing a BLOP here and there as part of the 'learning process' is no big deal for you, ISK wise, you really want to be more familar with how they work before you start jumping into null and so on. I mean for example, if you have trouble surviving and doing sites in null with a travel fit T3 and switching fits using depots, then you probably don't want to jump your BLOP into null.

Before you have all three accounts set up, (covert cyno, T3, and BLOP), I suggest you spend some time running sites solo in null in a T3 of your choice (usually a Tengu). If you can reliably and safely travel around the null with a travel fit T3, and familiar with how/where/when to deploy a depot and refit for site running fits, and run them successfully (without being probed & ganked on regular basis), and come back to high with the loot safely, then yes, using BLOP and covert cyno and stuff can be situationally useful to aid the whole process.

But if you have problem surviving in null with a single T3, or routinely get probed and ganked while running sites (i.e. it's not yet in your nature to keep eye on local & d-scan), or have not mastered the depot deployment & refit & re-scoop & etc without exposing your depot location and you find yourself getting camped at your own safe, you should get more famiiar with the whole 'life in null' thing before committing your BLOP into it.

I mean as a very simple experiment, try if you can reliably run through bubble camps in null with your covert frig or a stealth bomber. If you are not familiar with it, it is quite likely that you will have problem running through bubble camps even in a covert ship, unless it is also nullified. On paper it is easy to read about how to pulse your prop mod & get your ship out of the bubble & etc, but believe me, if you have not done it before, there is pretty good chance you will mess it up, and even if you get hang of it, there is always chance that you will mess it up or you end up in unlucky position off gate jump, etc.

Many Sabre pilots are pretty good at decloaking things like covert op frigs & stealth bombers, they do this every day. If you've jumped your Sin to null, and your covert cyno running covert op frig/bomber dies to such a dictor pilot while travelling, you are in for trouble.

Your idea is okay and I know it works, I've seen people do it. But there are many things you could practice to actually execute them, at cheaper price, without risking your BLOP in the first try.

Basically, you should be able to travel into & run sites & survive and make it safely back to HS in an appropriately prepared T3 without needing BLOP or covert cyno support, regularly and reliably. BLOP is an additional option/alternative/luxury you can use situationally, but if you need it in the first place to get yourself in and out of null, then you are not 'ready'.

You are welcome to risk & try, and I always encourage people to do so. But I also encourage people to try things step by step. :p

In terms of getting in & out of null, what you say is very doable and easy and safe way to do it from what I can see. And if you have clones set up that way, yes, you can probably survive/avoid problems with losing the cynoing ship.

But what I meant is (and I don't mean to offend) that you sound quite 'new' to null life, and when you are that new to null life there are many simple traps and regular hunts that you may not be familiar enough to avoid reliably. I'm by no means very familiar with living in null, but that's precisely why I can say this, because I have lost ships stupidly before in null, especially during travels, in ships that I should not really have been caught in (such as covert ops and stealth bombers), because I wasn't familiar with things.

Before you commit your BL-OP into running DED sites in null, practice travelling around in null 'the normal way' first in a cloaky ship or whatever. Try running simple anoms in null in cheaper/more disposable ships before running full on DED complexes in your Black Op.

Especially in a NPC null everyone is out there to get you. You are not part of a sov holding null alliance doing sites in your own sov with occassional threat of reds passying by. You are doing PVE in a space where everyone you see in local is a hostile to you, in a ship that cannot warp cloaked, not nullified, and has very little chance of making out of null alive without cyno.

And 'staying docked' in a NPC staiton in NPC null, as you will find out, is not always the best idea. I don't know what it's like these days and how some NPC nulls are, but at least when I first messed about with doing stuff in NPC null years ago, you could end up getting station camped pretty bad. Ideally, if a hostile (which is pretty much everyone except you in a NPC null) comes into your system, you don't want to warp to station to dock up. You want to warp to a safe and cloak up, and stay that way until the system is clear again. If you warp to NPC station to dock up at the first sign of trouble, I would expect there will be pretty good chance that you will be station camped. Again, doing PVE in your own SOV null is very different from doinv PVE in a NPC null. I wouldn't mind docking up in my alliance's outpost, but I would think twice before leaving my ship docked in a NPC null station, because I won't feel confident to say how/when I may be able to get out safely.

Also you need to consider what is the benefit of doing DED sites in null in a Black Op. If that's something you just want to do/try then fine, I can understand. But usually I would say a Tengu is a better choice to run these sites in null than Black Ops. They are more nimble, can be travel fit to take the gates if/when needed, easier to maneauver and position yourself for quick get away, and won't need a cyno to survive on its way back to HS. And if you have good drone skills, and want to use drone ships like Sin, Ishtar is also very viable option to run null DED sites in Guristas/Serpentis space. Very cheap and effective actually.

Although Tengu can be fit to cost over 1 bil, depending on what modules you fit on them, T3s are very cheap now, and when you try to EFT a well fit black op you will find that they are not that easy to fit due to fitting issues, and you will need quite a bit of bling to fit them and make them work, and you add the actual hull cost itself, and most of the times you will end up with a ship that's a lot more expensive than a T3 in current prices.

You are welcome to try, and it would be something cool to do. But I stand by my general advice that it may be better for you to experiment and familiarise yourself with the null region you want to operate in first, in something cheaper than a black op, unless you are happy to take the ISK loss as part of the learning process, multiple times.