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Returning Player – High-Sec Freighter Escort Tip Pls?

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Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#21 - 2016-12-07 21:12:28 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
@ 9000:

While I love Blockade Runners and have yet to lose one to a gank, I feel they are not the best ships to use in major tradehubs.
Jita undock especially gives me headaches: the undock is so crowded that you cannot cloak and you will very often be bumped out of alignment by the other ships, so even for my insta undock it takes a few precious seconds...with a ship that could probably be alpha'd by a single instalock gank Tornado.


How to BR in Jita, simple you park a DST in another station, go to that station with the BR then change to DST and then have a bookmark on the station away from the exist and warp in points from gates. In terms of leaving have multiple instra warps and work them in a line so one will work at the angle you come out of Then return to the other station and swicth to BR. Simple and effective.


Sounds effective but not especially simple.
I usually just use my über-tanked DST for inter-hub travels and my BR for most other deliveries (especially through lowsec).
A lot simpler this way.


Extra bonus:
Load DST with TWO cargo expander and rigged magnates and place all your to be BR'd stuff inside them. THen load those magnates into the fleet hangar.

Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!

Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#22 - 2016-12-07 21:18:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Zimmy Zeta
Yang Aurilen wrote:
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
@ 9000:

While I love Blockade Runners and have yet to lose one to a gank, I feel they are not the best ships to use in major tradehubs.
Jita undock especially gives me headaches: the undock is so crowded that you cannot cloak and you will very often be bumped out of alignment by the other ships, so even for my insta undock it takes a few precious seconds...with a ship that could probably be alpha'd by a single instalock gank Tornado.


How to BR in Jita, simple you park a DST in another station, go to that station with the BR then change to DST and then have a bookmark on the station away from the exist and warp in points from gates. In terms of leaving have multiple instra warps and work them in a line so one will work at the angle you come out of Then return to the other station and swicth to BR. Simple and effective.


Sounds effective but not especially simple.
I usually just use my über-tanked DST for inter-hub travels and my BR for most other deliveries (especially through lowsec).
A lot simpler this way.


Extra bonus:
Load DST with TWO cargo expander and rigged magnates and place all your to be BR'd stuff inside them. THen load those magnates into the fleet hangar.


You made me post old memes...see what you did?

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.

Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#23 - 2016-12-07 21:33:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Zimmy Zeta
Dracvlad wrote:


That works Big smile, I use a BR for lowsec, however gate to gate in certain areas is not recommended, but I am certain you know that as it is evident that you know what you are doing.


Why, thank you, good sir.
I've always been good at running away...maybe that's why I have some kind of natural affinity for Blockade Runner class vessels..P

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.

Ivy Axisur
State War Academy
Caldari State
#24 - 2016-12-07 21:55:21 UTC
Interesting info. The DST / BR combo is an interesting idea. Like everyone, I tend to have to stop at Jita and Amarr often.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#25 - 2016-12-07 22:08:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Ivy Axisur wrote:
Interesting info. The DST / BR combo is an interesting idea. Like everyone, I tend to have to stop at Jita and Amarr often.

If you have a good instadock at Jita, you can't really be ganked in a BR.

Have the station as destination, warp to your instadock and then hit autopilot.

As soon as you end warp, the docking command will be sent and you'll never be in a vulnerable state.

Docking is the only good use of autopilot.
Ivy Axisur
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2016-12-07 22:43:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Ivy Axisur
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Ivy Axisur wrote:
Interesting info. The DST / BR combo is an interesting idea. Like everyone, I tend to have to stop at Jita and Amarr often.

If you have a good instadock at Jita, you can't really be ganked in a BR.

Have the station as destination, warp to your instadock and then hit autopilot.

As soon as you end warp, the docking command will be sent and you'll never be in a vulnerable state.

Docking is the only good use of autopilot.



Very cool idea! I will do exactly that.

Undock bumping is probably the only vulnerability then.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#27 - 2016-12-08 00:02:05 UTC
Ivy Axisur wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Ivy Axisur wrote:
Interesting info. The DST / BR combo is an interesting idea. Like everyone, I tend to have to stop at Jita and Amarr often.

If you have a good instadock at Jita, you can't really be ganked in a BR.

Have the station as destination, warp to your instadock and then hit autopilot.

As soon as you end warp, the docking command will be sent and you'll never be in a vulnerable state.

Docking is the only good use of autopilot.



Very cool idea! I will do exactly that.

Undock bumping is probably the only vulnerability then.

Yes it can be. Personally on the Jita undock I drift out for 15-20 seconds after undocking before warping to my instaundock.

With 30 seconds invulnerable that still makes it impossible to be targeted and gets out past the traffic before warping to the instaundock
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#28 - 2016-12-08 00:10:48 UTC
BR are also super fast in warp, mine will out run all but the most specialised interceptors.
Grymmstorm
Kings of Groth
#29 - 2016-12-08 05:35:09 UTC
On the other hand, you could do what I did the first time I flew my freighter and go on a run from Dodixie to Jita on AP...Pick up about 10b worth of items, and then AP back to Dodixie. Sure you run through Uedama or whatever, but if you have beginners luck like I did, you won't get ganked!
Vigirr
#30 - 2016-12-08 05:56:36 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Ivy Axisur wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Ivy Axisur wrote:
Interesting info. The DST / BR combo is an interesting idea. Like everyone, I tend to have to stop at Jita and Amarr often.

If you have a good instadock at Jita, you can't really be ganked in a BR.

Have the station as destination, warp to your instadock and then hit autopilot.

As soon as you end warp, the docking command will be sent and you'll never be in a vulnerable state.

Docking is the only good use of autopilot.



Very cool idea! I will do exactly that.

Undock bumping is probably the only vulnerability then.

Yes it can be. Personally on the Jita undock I drift out for 15-20 seconds after undocking before warping to my instaundock.

With 30 seconds invulnerable that still makes it impossible to be targeted and gets out past the traffic before warping to the instaundock


If you picked your undocking BM correctly you can't get bumped when warping to it as you instantly enter warp.


The nonsense some people posted earlier in the thread with "ideas" is silly. You just need 3 things:

- well made undocking BM, for jita you can use can use the moon that 's in line when you undock (click shift alt x to show moon brackets, warp there, BM midwarp). for others you'll have to make one using an MWD frigate first

- use the AP to dock up instantly, if you fly a BR a whole lot it might help to create a BM while flying inside the station perimeter and use that as a warp to while having the station as destination. Reason is that very agile ships have a tendency to fall short on their warp meaning you still have to slowboat 1-2KM at times, this prevents that

- use your cloak correctly, in case of covert ops you can't really do it wrong. If not then use cloak/mwd trick, here's an old video of mine explaining it, it's outdated in many ways but still applies in terms of mechanics.
Cristl
#31 - 2016-12-08 07:01:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Cristl
We don't know what you're moving, but you said relocating. In that case, consider scrapping junk, selling lowends and misc stuff lying around.

What's left might be valuable mods, high end mins, (compressed!) ore and ships. Then look at the orca: pretty tough, can get to warp in reasonable time, and can carry a variety of cargo types. The best companion would be *another* orca (best if not full so if things go south the non-ganked orca can grab cargo or scoop any loot) and a covops to be a jump ahead looking for obvious danger.

The bowhead might be new to you too, check it out if you have many fitted ships to move.

That's pretty safe, but you always run the risk of being autism-bombed in eve :)
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#32 - 2016-12-08 10:58:50 UTC
Vigirr wrote:


The nonsense some people posted earlier in the thread with "ideas" is silly.



Well it works, zero ganks mate speaks for itself.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Vigirr
#33 - 2016-12-08 11:57:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Vigirr
Dracvlad wrote:
Vigirr wrote:


The nonsense some people posted earlier in the thread with "ideas" is silly.



Well it works, zero ganks mate speaks for itself.



If you add a hull repper to your fit and proceed to not get ganked then the next time you can post about how having a hull repper is what makes all the difference, as you haven't been ganked since you fitted one. QED.
Memphis Baas
#34 - 2016-12-08 12:52:13 UTC
Bemo wrote:
Ivy Axisur wrote:
From what I gather, their really is no active defense - meaning once the gank has started escort ships are pretty useless unless you can bring a ton of targeted ECM?


Bring logi if anything. Just have to hold out for concord.


Battlecruiser(s) with +Armor or -Inertia command bursts? Not sure whether worth it.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#35 - 2016-12-08 13:32:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Vigirr wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Vigirr wrote:


The nonsense some people posted earlier in the thread with "ideas" is silly.



Well it works, zero ganks mate speaks for itself.



If you add a hull repper to your fit and proceed to not get ganked then the next time you can post about how having a hull repper is what makes all the difference, as you haven't been ganked since you fitted one. QED.


Are you losing your mind, you are talking about multi rep fittings when I suggested a tactic to reduce risk based around bumps on the Jita undock and instra lock Tornado's, could you get any more stupid with your reply, I don't think so... ShockedRoll Pathetic...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Marcus Binchiette
Federal Vanguard
#36 - 2016-12-08 14:04:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Marcus Binchiette
Zimmy Zeta wrote:

8. if in doubt, buy a hauling permit from CODE.




All your points are good except for this one. By paying CODE for a "permit", you are not only legitimising CODE's supposed control, but, you are also funding their operations. Don't buy the permit from CODE, and if anyone suggests that you do. Then tell them to go **** themselves.

What is really required here is some common sense and proper caution. The best kind of escort is reconnaissance, and the best kind of fit is one which maximises tank and survivability. Don't bother with offensive modules, because by the time you've locked someone the battle is over. All you need to do is either evade the attack with an MWD + Cloak industrial, or have enough buffer tank to survive the attack before CONCORD intervenes.

With this in mind I can and often do escort valuable shipments with my corp. The best advice I can give is to only ever work with people you trust. Most gankers will rock raw DPS ships, and this usually means massive numbers of destroyers, and possibly cruisers or battlecruisers. So your escort needs to be geared to ships which can engage and eliminate those threats quickly. Usually our corporate escorts consist of some combination of Cruisers, Battlecruisers, and Logistics ships. With the only purpose of Logistic being to lock the VIP hauler and keep it alive.

Or course, the other route is to go for ECM, Sensor Damp, and Targeting disruption frigates. Though be mindful that if you enlist large numbers of Alpha EWAR pilots they could double cross you to CODE (as per my previous point - only ever work with people you trust). Also be aware that any ECM Burst modules used will most likely result in that ship being CONCORD'ed as well. So they should be mounted on a frigate as a form of suicide defence. Do not fit ECM burst to key damage dealing escorts, and for heaven's sake don't fit it to the hauler.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#37 - 2016-12-08 14:11:26 UTC
Marcus Binchiette wrote:
Zimmy Zeta wrote:

8. if in doubt, buy a hauling permit from CODE.




All your points are good except for this one. By paying CODE for a "permit", you are not only legitimising CODE's supposed control, but, you are also funding their operations. Don't buy the permit from CODE, and if anyone suggests that you do. Then tell them to go **** themselves.

What is really required here is some common sense and proper caution. The best kind of escort is reconnaissance, and the best kind of fit is one which maximises tank and survivability. Don't bother with offensive modules, because by the time you've locked someone the battle is over. All you need to do is either evade the attack with an MWD + Cloak industrial, or have enough buffer tank to survive the attack before CONCORD intervenes.

With this in mind I can and often do escort valuable shipments with my corp. The best advice I can give is to only ever work with people you trust. Most gankers will rock raw DPS ships, and this usually means massive numbers of destroyers, and possibly cruisers or battlecruisers. So your escort needs to be geared to ships which can engage and eliminate those threats quickly. Usually our corporate escorts consist of some combination of Cruisers, Battlecruisers, and Logistics ships. With the only purpose of Logistic being to lock the VIP hauler and keep it alive.

Or course, the other route is to go for ECM, Sensor Damp, and Targeting disruption frigates. Though be mindful that if you enlist large numbers of Alpha EWAR pilots they could double cross you to CODE (as per my previous point - only ever work with people you trust). Also be aware that any ECM Burst modules used will most likely result in that ship being CONCORD'ed as well. So they should be mounted on a frigate as a form of suicide defence. Do not fit ECM burst to key damage dealing escorts, and for heaven's sake don't fit it to the hauler.


I wish more people were like you, I really like how you operate, this is how to do it.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
#38 - 2016-12-08 14:38:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Galaxy Duck
Dracvlad! Where have you been, brother?

Still giving poor advice to haulers, I see.

The ranks of AG must have really missed you.
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#39 - 2016-12-08 14:55:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Zimmy Zeta
Marcus Binchiette wrote:
Zimmy Zeta wrote:

8. if in doubt, buy a hauling permit from CODE.




All your points are good except for this one. By paying CODE for a "permit", you are not only legitimising CODE's supposed control, but, you are also funding their operations. Don't buy the permit from CODE, and if anyone suggests that you do. Then tell them to go **** themselves.



Well, I knew this point was obviously debateable, that's why I prefaced it with "If in doubt".
If you are flying an industrial, chances are you are also involved in industry. As a manufactuer of mediocre ships for the less wealthy™, I have nothing against highsec content creators- quite the opposite actually, their destruction creates a demand that I can supply.
But since this thread seems to be a cut above the average drivel in here and actually has some nice information and discussion, it would be pretty nice if we could stay on topic and not let it degenerate into just another GRR CODE HAT CODE thread.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.

Bob Donovitch
The Iron Bank and Trust
#40 - 2016-12-08 15:09:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Bob Donovitch
I just returned to EVE after about a year and a half break. But. I see a possible method of using EVE's FTP Alpha clone **** up to advantage freighter pilots.

1. Make an Alpha clone account separate from your main.

2. Train up enough to fly a frigate with guns.

3. Have your Alpha account and your freighter account open at same time.

4. Move both ships to the same gate. ie: one entering Uedama

5. Jump frigate in and find something to start blasting at. This will bring Concord to the gate.

6. Once Concord arrives jump freighter through gate and warp to next gate.

Once Alpha clone has such a deplorable rating you can no longer fly in HiSec retire clone and create another one.

Don't know if this would work in practice ... But seems logical to me.
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