EVE General Discussion

Hmm..I only remember people constantly complaining about the sound of laser turrets being *toc toc toc* instead of *pew pew pew* or *swooosh*.
Actually, now that I'm thinking of it...it still annoys me today.
CCP PLZ CHANGE

Ever seen a Maelstrom broadside with 1400mms up close?
That's some mighty fine eye candy CCP gave us here...

This was an idea I had for WiS interior layout of stations. Basically the door in the Captains Quarters opens to an elevator giving access to other levels inside the station.

Station Elevator Buttons: 5

Button 1 = Captains Quarters
This is your own personal area where you can access the Docking Bay and conduct all operations pertaining to your ship, personal assets, Contracts, etc. This is where you can change your clothes and appearance. The Captains Quarters could be customized by adding 'Collectible Items' such as 'Head in a Jar', interactive Holoreel's, Books, Medals, etc. Even add some sort of 'Pet' like a Fedo or Slaver Hound.

This is the main spawn location (1of 3) within the station for your character. When logging into the game, your character is lying on the bed asleep, wakes up and gets ready for action. When logging out of the game in your Captains Quarters, your character lays down on the bed and goes to sleep. If you get disconnected while in WiS mode, this is the usual spawn location for your character.

Button 2 = Promenade Deck
This is the top deck of the station consisting of 1 large split level room. It would have large viewing ports showcasing the Nebula's as well as all ships outside the station so you can check if you're being station camped. In the center (Lower level) of this deck would be a Concord Sanctioned PvP Arena for doing FPS Avatar combat. There would also be Bookie's available to place bet's on the Arena fights.

The Arena fights could be conducted sorta like the Alliance Tournaments for both 1v1 and Team battles. Could split it up into scheduled stages at various stations starting with Constellation Tryouts, Regional Preliminary's, Factional Qualifying and ending with Inter-Factional Competitions.

Button 3 = Command Deck
This deck would contain various private Conference Rooms for Corporate meetings, reserved for and accessed by Corporations renting an Office in that specific station as well as Offices for NPC Agents. This deck would also include War Room's with access to Planetary, System, Constellation and Regional 3D maps for SOV and Factional Warfare. There would also be a Station Command Center (usually off-limits) and a Medical Bay.

The Medical Bay is the 2nd spawn location for your character within the station when using Jump Clones or when waking up in your Medical Clone after being podded.

Button 4 = Retail Deck
This deck contains various player run Custom Shops, Bars, Casinos, etc. This is also where Players can access the Regional Market. The stations Security Office with holding cells (Brig) is also located here. Get drunk, punch someone in the face and you'll spend a couple of hours in the Brig along with paying a fine. Maybe have personal security status dictate the amount of ISK needed to post bail (Get out of Jail card). Could also have Bounty Agents offering special missions located here.

The Security Office is the 3rd spawn location for your character within the station when incarcerated. Logging in and out would be like the Captains Quarters, having your character lying on the bunk in the cell.

Button 5 = Storage Deck
This is the bottom deck of the station containg various storage compartments and small dimly lit rooms equipped with a cot, small table and a couple of chairs for black market deals. This is where you can acquire and trade Contraband items. This deck would also have special Agents hidden away in various locations that offer missions classified as Contraband Retrieval.

Could make this deck tough to navigate causing players to become lost. Make a wrong turn along the way and find yourself stumbling around in the shadows for hours. Probably should have bought that 'Basement Map' from the NPC Sleaze Bag hanging out at the entrance to the 'Retail Deck'.

Skills would affect all activity's. If someone wasn't skilled in Smuggling tries to take Contraband down to the lower deck of the station, they have a random chance of getting caught, their Contraband confiscated and find themselves in the Brig having to pay an ISK fine. Or if engaged in Arena fights, the level of Logistic skills trained and Medic equipment fitted could mean the difference between life and death, er um, I meant winning and losing.

Another idea for Avatar game content is 'Station Lockdown'.

You log into the game with the sound of alarms going off in your Captains Quarters. The main viewscreen informs you that the station is under Security Lockdown (no docking or undocking) due to an Invasion Force (Sansha and or Mercs). You and other players trapped inside the station must Hack into various Medical and Security Lockers for weapons, munitions and 1st Aid equipment. Players then go deck by deck, seeking out and killing all NPC invaders encountered, Salvaging their corpses for more weapons, munitions, body armor, etc..

Players must make their way to the Station Command Center and deactivate the Security Lockdown allowing players access to the docking bay. Only problem is that all other station areas must be cleared first before accessing the Command Deck. Question is: What will you do? Do you attempt this solo? Create a gang with other players for tactical combat and medical support? Stay inside your Captains Quarters and hope somebody else deactivates the Security Lockdown?

This could implement some new skills being seeded into the game, such as Medic and Commando skills. Maybe even have another skill added to the Leadership group like - Infiltration - ability to lead a small team of Commando's and infiltrate a station that's under 'Security Lockdown'.

Hacking sites can also be based on the 'Station Lockdown' scenario. Could just be 1or 2 decks with various rooms filled with broken equipment scattered around that can be hacked and or salvaged.

These are just basic ideas that can be expanded on.

DMC

Cool. Can we use the BrutalDoom engine for this?

Most people would say that Google, along with the likes of Apple, Microsoft, Oracle, Adobe and all the oither powerhouse software companies do have some of the most talented in Developers / Engineers in the world.

Are you real trying to say Google as a company do not have any talented Developers /Engineers at their company?

Here, take a look at this, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Google_employees

Most people would class these guys as talented, well except you that is.

I guess it depends on what you define as talented. if they are not very good why don't you apply for a job at CCP and show them how it is done, after all if they are as bad as you are making out it shouldn't be difficult to show them a thing or two

I didnt read this whole thread but from what i read on the first page one would get the impression that WIS was supported originally and then we players didnt support it. That would be incorrect.


Here is how this actually went. the carebears of Eve ( i distinctly remember this as we told them to go back to WOW), started whining on the forums and causing a fuss because they wanted to be able to walk in stations. They thought it would be cool to have like a bar, shopping area, gaming area with mini games, what not in stations.

A majority of Eve players said that is a dumb idea. This is a space game, not Second Life. The minority of players won. It was the first time that CCP didnt listen to the majority of their player base. I believe at a time they thought it would appeal to more "softcore" players and up subs.

The community was outraged except for this almost drowned out voice from bears who wanted to watch their avatar walk around inside a station. We tried to get CCP to change their minds. Many threatened to unsub. I guess CCP though we were bluffing.


After WIS was released it was a disaster. A lot of dev time had been spent on it and it added nothing of value to the game. Players were outraged that CCP would spend so much time on a such a useless feature that only a very small minority wanted.


That was the first time in Eves history it had a net loss in subs. I had few friends that quit, and AFAIK none of them have returned. CCP boxed the idea of WIS and it has never been discussed as more than a bad time in Eve history.
CCP has never once mentioned doing anything else with it. It was not added to Citadels and honestly it will probably die a quiet death when stations disappear from Eve unless the opinions of players changes and thats probably not going to happen.

CCP cannot afford to make risky moves not supported by players in todays gaming market. They are learning that every time they do something we dont like they lose some of us. This has lead them to refocus on Eve and to focus on emergent gameplay and new features that give us more to do in space.

CCP had their chance to integrate various side-projects into the continuous EVE universe, and to include FPS content such as WiS.

They flubbed it completely.

Fortunately, EVE itself is a game that will age extremely well. There simply is nothing even remotely like it.
Star Citizen may offer a more vicarious, intimate experience of captaining a spaceship, but is also hugely expensive as well as requiring top rate rigs to play.

Many EVE players never even see their ship except as a small marker on the display, except when they bring up the fitting window.
And they are totally fine with that.
I also spend most of my time flying/operating using the onscreen data elements, rather than the ingame starfield.

EVE is a meta experience that is largely community driiven.
I dont see SC ever achieving that to the extent EVE has.

Its a huge shame, CCP came so close, but they borked it.
WiS failed utterly.
DUST failed utterly.
Valkyrie failed utterly.
And none of them got relevantly included i to the EVE continuity.

How the hell does Facebook have any part in VR market?

And yes, I consider 1% a failure, considering Valkyrie was basically tied to, developed for and shipped with VR systems.

1950 bucks for full report. No thanks.

Tbh reading through the introduction looks like a piece of contrived crap.

Your version of the whole Incarna story is much closer to how I remember it myself, unlike Roenok Baalnorn's hateful diatribe.
Back before Incarna, CCP were the superstars of the videogame industry. Eve had won the "Best MMO" award yet again, they had just acquired the rights for World of Darkness, DUST was announced and they had hired many more devs for their new US offices. We thought they were infallible.
Eve's "papercuts" were annoying, but most of us were excited about the prospects of avatar gameplay. Everything bad or unfinished about Eve was excusable since "Eve is hard, don't dumb it down".
It's only when the final product Incarna came out that this bubble of wishful expectation burst with a bang.
And when the "Greed is Good" newsletter added insult to injury, the disgruntled mood turned into open rebellion.
Only then a big part of the players realized that development spent on WiS was badly invested dev time and damaging the spaceship part of the game. It was only then when being fiercely opposed to WiS became fashionable.