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A Reflection on Matias Sobaseki

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Kasari Ketokama
State War Academy
Caldari State
#81 - 2016-12-06 13:42:52 UTC
Bullshit. Xenophobia without racism doesn't exist. You say it yourself, Caldari nationality is tied to the bloodlines, and even there, Achurans have been heavily screwed in the past and present. As an outsider you can make your way up into society but you'll hit a wall very soon. Citing capsuleers as example is ludicrous at best, as there are quite some different rules in place for us, and not just by the oh so glorious State.

A state, which if I may add, happily fucks over minorities and had a very recent streak of government centric racial purity nonsense that was almost culminating in a mad dictatorship. And you know it, everyone knows it: There were cheering masses, in the beginning, during it, and even towards the end. That was not oppression by a minority. It was tolerated and promoted by significant portions of our beloved compatriots. Telling blatant lies and indulding oneself in historical revision is doing none of the victims any justice.

So, **** this conservative, racist system and those who are pretending everything is fine.
Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution
#82 - 2016-12-06 16:54:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Vizage
Kasari Ketokama wrote:
Bullshit. Xenophobia without racism doesn't exist. You say it yourself, Caldari nationality is tied to the bloodlines, and even there, Achurans have been heavily screwed in the past and present. As an outsider you can make your way up into society but you'll hit a wall very soon. Citing capsuleers as example is ludicrous at best, as there are quite some different rules in place for us, and not just by the oh so glorious State.

A state, which if I may add, happily fucks over minorities and had a very recent streak of government centric racial purity nonsense that was almost culminating in a mad dictatorship. And you know it, everyone knows it: There were cheering masses, in the beginning, during it, and even towards the end. That was not oppression by a minority. It was tolerated and promoted by significant portions of our beloved compatriots. Telling blatant lies and indulding oneself in historical revision is doing none of the victims any justice.

So, **** this conservative, racist system and those who are pretending everything is fine.


You'll forgive me I hope, but you are aware Caldari Citizens aren't born Capsuleers right? I graduated amongst peers many of whom were Achuran, so when you say Capsuleers go by a different set of rules I'm curious exactly what that means?

If you are talking about institutionalized racism why would the State allow these minorities into positions of near limitless power? It seems a bit contradictory no? Why allow Achuran candidates into the Capsuleer program?

Secondly this "conservative and racist" system is our system. You are welcome to leave at any time but make no mistake, our State cares a lot more about what you put in than what you take out and being Caldari has very little to do with one's birth. It has to do with what you do after that birth, if you contribute, sacrifice for the State, hold the good of us all above yourself. These are things that make a person Caldari.

But all that doesn't mean that we can't as a people make mistakes, it doesn't mean that racism doesn't exist, and yes maybe even institutionalized racism too. But when you talk about the State like it is a monolith, you only show us how little you actually understand us. We are a not a monolith, it only takes a day on a Kaalakiota planet and a day on an Ishukone one to realize that.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#83 - 2016-12-06 19:02:38 UTC
Well said, Vizage-haani.

Racism is based solely on a random selection of genetic markers that differentiate one from, say, a Jin-Mei or an Intaki. The State is built on cultural homogeneity - and as Vizage states, even that homogeneity varies from Mega to Mega.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Kasari Ketokama
State War Academy
Caldari State
#84 - 2016-12-07 10:11:27 UTC
Wow. You don't say.
Capsuleers are special cases. We got special education, we got special training and with that also came special rights. Not just through CONCORD leveraged legal statuses.
You must've been living a very sheltered and privileged life if you claim that racism isn't strong in the State. Heth's rise was based on this, and believe me, I've made my own experiences there on behalf of my own, as you say it, cultural identity. What may not have been officially mandated was nevertheless executed by compatriots. But these provists aside, it was always the same before and after.
Ever wondered why there are so few interracial marriages? Civire marry Civire, Deteis marry Deteis and Achurans marry Achurans. Try getting a certificate outside of that and get ready to live with a lot of odd and disgusted looks in public.1
But maybe this poor Achuran just does not understanding how this racial purity thing is actually the glorious culture everyone's so proud of, and not just what it looks like.
Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#85 - 2016-12-07 10:48:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Neph
What alleyway did your parents raise you in that you ever expected to choose the right spouse? I know okusaika marital cultures differ, but if they're going to pour as much support into the childraising process as they do, your corporation and their mega going to want at least a small hand in controlling the stock of the next generation. Besides, why on earth would you expect to be capable to choose your mate of future decades? Trust me, I've got enough distant family drama on the Metropolis side to know just how **** people are at estimating their own emotions, much less that of another. Ishukone psych matching evals worked perfectly well for us Raitakori-Svauklat. I know more couples actively breaking up right now in Metropolis than I do failed marriages in Umamon. Not to pull a standard-issue Caldari Propaganda Phrase out here, but frankly, this is a situation where the corporations know best. At least, that's what I and everybody else I know believes. No clue what they're teaching you Achur.

For whatever reason, it's in the corporate interest to keep genetic lines distinct. I've heard several reasons. Most obviously, interracial marriages just don't really work as well. Deteis, Civire, and Achur cultures are all unique and distinct even in the modern age. There's ethnic pride there. A union of two people from two different cultures is often a rockier and less productive one than that of two people who share the same background and cultural disposition. Also, I'm pretty sure that there's genetic reasons for keeping a higher level of diversity in the gene pool. I'm no geneticist, but I've heard it offers greater opportunity for mixing races if the need arises, to combat various disorders in either. Something about multi-racial people having more robust genetics or something. If we were all one big happy mixed-race Caldari family, I guess we'd lose that ability. As always, I trust that old eyes see best. Not my call. Finally, to mix the races means to lose bloodline traditions. Physical appearance is a large part of that, as are the traditions handed from parent to child. Poems, songs, and works of art that have carried ethnic meaning for millennia would be rendered incomprehensible if we severed that tie between our personal, yet collective, past and our present. That's something I, and my blood relatives, have struggled with as descendants of those unable to hail from Home. Ishukone is an understanding and forward-looking okusaika, however, and unlike some corporations entrenched in anti-progress, realizes that there's a line between preserving the past and crippling the future. I've missed the communal lineage back to Home and the physical significance of that, but that doesn't mean I can't take part in a narrower spiritual part of that. Wait, I've digressed.

I guess my point is that the State doesn't have to worry about such petty things as 'racism'. Yes, there's backlash against mixed-race families, but that's not because of the union, it's because it almost universally indicates the rejection of corporate guidance in favor of their own selfishness and short-sighted pride: sacrificing their children's and grandchildren's heritage and their own duty to their corporation for their brief 'happiness'. You only see pureblooded individuals in positions of power because mixed-raced babies are born to social outcasts and counter-culturalists outside of the framework for growing into position of power. You've got the cause and effect mixed up.

But that said, you do make a good point: something close to racism did rear its ugly head during Heth's rise, and it hurt me, badly. But that was a case of fearful masses looking inward for enemies, when they should have been focused on building the State we had instead of trying to reform the State to something radical and new. Heth's whole reform bullshit in a nutshell there. Reform should come from the top, like Garushi demonstrated so excellently, rather than from a nobody with mysterious connections instructing the masses to forget their role and demand change they could never understand the implications of.

EDIT: I may have ranted a bit more than I meant to. My bad. Long hours stationside are driving me mad. We've got to hire some of the grub crew that were in Asakai station into this bleak Astrahus. I swear, they're serving the same thing in every hall at the same time, and it all tastes like the soft-same garbage I earned my degree on. Also, Upwell needs to come up with more than three basic room designs. I keep getting lost in this off-drab grid, map or no. Even Watch had more amenitied facilities than this.

~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~

"Orte Jaitovalte sitasuyti ne obuetsa useuut ishu. Ketsiak ishiulyn." -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka

Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#86 - 2016-12-07 11:12:08 UTC
I suppose I somehow managed to bring my point back to what OP originally laid out so well: the State doesn't need to be reformed, it needs to grow strong: to remind everybody of what Kurovassi-haani said in the OP,

"As such it is no diminishment of greatness but rather an enhancement of our greatness in the State to invite those who find themselves in solidarity with our principles, ideals and Destiny to join us in the spirit of co-operation and fellowship to work towards a society where work is rewarded; sacrifice valued; and the individual ennobled in the realization that to be Caldari is premised upon what they are willing to offer and contribute with the labours of their own hands towards the society they have become part of."

It's easy to judge from without. If you really must have an opinion on something that's really not your own business, at least do the courtesy of trying to see us from within.

~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~

"Orte Jaitovalte sitasuyti ne obuetsa useuut ishu. Ketsiak ishiulyn." -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka

Kasari Ketokama
State War Academy
Caldari State
#87 - 2016-12-07 12:11:48 UTC
And here we see a perfect example of classifying dissenting opinions and criticism of the racist undertones and politics in the society as unpatriotic. What is right and what is wrong can not always be distilled from statistics and raw numbers. We dream of being the small cog in the big machine, but in the end we're corporate drones at the whim of cold, lifeless bureaucrats.
Keep on repeating the mantra that this way is the only way and live in ignorance, but those who've seen and experienced the grim and unfair sides of life know that at the end of the day, it is corporate propaganda, designed to make citizens even more subservient and blind to what is going out outside their corporate bubble.
Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#88 - 2016-12-07 12:23:43 UTC
PIlot Ketokama, I'm afraid you misjudge my own experience. I see no need to reiterate my history, but I'll leave it at that if anybody in the State is qualified to speak on racial discrimination and to have a perspective on life outside 'my corporate bubble', it may be myself. But in the end, the corporations are just that--corporate. I, my kirjuun, my superiors and those to whom I am superior--these are who make the corporation. We, in a corporate whole, form the big machine. To focus on the individual is to ignore the communal and fundamentally a perversion of the Caldari spirit. You can't ignore what the small unit believes just because all the other small units believe it and it's what the whole says. That is unity in belief--that is the culture that binds us.

Please don't be too quick to dismiss us as ignorant of the society, because, Pilot Ketokama, we are the society. We who hail as Caldari--not Sebestior, not Ealur, not Deteis, not Achur--we do not repeat mantras, the mantras are glimpses to who we are. This is not the only way. It is our way.

~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~

"Orte Jaitovalte sitasuyti ne obuetsa useuut ishu. Ketsiak ishiulyn." -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka

Jev North
Doomheim
#89 - 2016-12-07 12:27:49 UTC
Neph wrote:
Truth

I'm known to speak farcically, some of the time, but let me assure you this is sincere: thank you.

I may no longer fully share these values, but the Caldari people deserve to be known, and respected, for the truthful account of their way of life; not some version of it sanitized for the enjoyment and admiration of the liberals of the Cluster.

Even though our love is cruel; even though our stars are crossed.

Kasari Ketokama
State War Academy
Caldari State
#90 - 2016-12-07 13:02:38 UTC
The majority believing that it is right does not make it right. It is merely tolerated and accepted. I know and respect the Caldari way of life and I also know that it is not exclusive to Caldari - that is Civire and Deteis - but way easier for those. You're describing exactly why change has to come from the bottom, the low tiers, the ones left behind. Those who see their livelihoods bulldozed for new shiny corporate architecture, way beyond their reach. There's so much potential being wasted behind the arrogance that the status quo is the only way, and those who disagree are solely to blame, when actually everything that you are so proud of has been brought to you from the outside. Corporations, the colonies, the State itself even is inspired by your - and by way of cultural appropriation and corporate pillaging of Saisio mine, too - so called mortal enemies.
Jev North
Doomheim
#91 - 2016-12-07 13:14:57 UTC
Kasari Ketokama wrote:
[...]

I think I know a person who shares your temperament and thirst for justice. Would you like me to try and set up a date?

Even though our love is cruel; even though our stars are crossed.

Kasari Ketokama
State War Academy
Caldari State
#92 - 2016-12-07 13:22:23 UTC
This has nothing to do with justice or injustice. It is about improvement.
Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution
#93 - 2016-12-07 19:09:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Vizage
Kasari Ketokama wrote:
I know and respect the Caldari way of life....



Kasari Ketokama wrote:
So, **** this conservative, racist system and those who are pretending everything is fine.



This doesn't seem very respectful, and is likely why you're receiving such vigorous resistance.


Kasari Ketokama wrote:
Wow. You don't say.
Capsuleers are special cases. We got special education, we got special training and with that also came special rights. Not just through CONCORD leveraged legal statuses.


But specifically on this, the point Im making is that this opportunity is available to any State citizen who meets the criteria. Achuran/Deteis/Civire. Many would argue the Capsuleer status is the greatest of opportunities that any of the four great nations could offer. So why is it, that this of all systems, seems to overlook race when it is supposedly so systemic in us?

What we are trying to explain to you is that this isn't about race, at all. We preserve out culture because we care about it, it faced extinction on more occasion than one. But more importantly we value people who share this reverence, people that respect our concern with cultural preservation earn our respect in kind.

It has nothing to do with the colour of your skin or the circumstance of your birth, I cannot stress this enough. All Caldari are expected to respect these same rules.

Kasari Ketokama wrote:
..but those who've seen and experienced the grim and unfair sides of life know that at the end of the day..


Who said anything about fair? Sacrifice is not fair, that's the essence of it. You aren't expect to get a "Fair" share, you are expected to "Earn" your share. Sometimes you have to work a bit harder than others to earn an equal share but, no one ever said to you it was going to be fair. Hard work is what is expected and a Caldari takes pride in knowing he or she contributed as their reward, not an even shake.

If that sounds harsh to you, then I'd wager it was you who lived the sheltered life not me, because that's how the State has always been.

And one more thing, you should take care to call you fellows anything lesser than you, you have no idea what we have gone through, what we have sacrificed for our State, and you will make no friends attempting to win the "who suffered more" game.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#94 - 2016-12-07 20:15:59 UTC
Racial aspect in Caldari way of life is insignificant and ignored in all the places except Corporate Marriage Agencies, that do their own jobs to reinforce bloodlines. Reference to races and bloodlines outside of Marriage oriented business is often depicts immaturity of a Caldari citizen.

While being or not being a Caldari culturally is a big deal. It doesn't matter if you are Civire, Achura, Deteis, or even Sebeistor. It does matter if you have Raata spirit.

I heard some racist immature views that "Caldari force Achura to take extensive exams about Caldari language, culture and history before they will be allowed to use capsules". But the thing is, that Achura is a Caldari bloodline. And all other bloodlines of Caldari State get the same damn exam questions, providing exactly the same qualitifaction parameters for Achura and other citizens of different bloodlines.

Being a member of one bloodline or another is not a merit that is considered for anything except marriage in Caldari State.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Matar Ronin
#95 - 2016-12-07 22:05:39 UTC
It is good to see that someone who espouses racist viewpoints constantly even recognizes that racism is wrong!

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.