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[December] Excavator Mining Drone yield rebalance

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Xennos Octavian
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#181 - 2016-12-07 20:50:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Xennos Octavian
Man v Food wrote:
nice fozzie is back after his last ****** idea,now another **** up by fozzie


if you think enough time has passed and people have forgotten your completely useless ideas...it has'nt


and on that note you can refund the isk i spent on these **** drones that move slower than my rorqual and now they are going to mine less than a ship that cost 1/4 that they do

gj fozzie wb tosser


I take it CCP Fozzie is the source of the "Balanced Legion" thing I have heard about the Zkill videos by rhiload (since Fozzie was the guy responsible for the nightmare Svipul).

I can definitely see what you mean by the viability of the Excavators (do they really move slower than a Rorq). If you want to have the Rorq be a Capital Ship capable of mining, you should have it able to function at a suitable level, not at one that a group of much smaller, less expensive Exhumers can out-mine (given the Excavators were once almost equivalent to one Exhumer each).
Ascenity
Barely Effective
Scumlords
#182 - 2016-12-07 20:51:17 UTC
Wait, so in the expansion you gave us a change that made the Risk >>>>>>>> Reward, and now you are removing even more of the reward??? I really hope that you have more plans for making it safer to use the Rorquals for those who do not have a Fat alliance behind them. Don't get me wrong, Excavator drones mined sooo much, but with so so much risk.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#183 - 2016-12-07 20:59:19 UTC
Ascenity wrote:
Wait, so in the expansion you gave us a change that made the Risk >>>>>>>> Reward,


Yeah, you can tell the risk vastly exceeds the rewards because absolutely nobody is using Rorquals at all anymore. Roll

That's why they need a nerf - lack of use due to insufficient reward:risk ratio. Straight

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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#184 - 2016-12-07 21:01:06 UTC
Ascenity wrote:
Wait, so in the expansion you gave us a change that made the Risk >>>>>>>> Reward, and now you are removing even more of the reward??? I really hope that you have more plans for making it safer to use the Rorquals for those who do not have a Fat alliance behind them. Don't get me wrong, Excavator drones mined sooo much, but with so so much risk.

i dont see what our weight problems have to do with this
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#185 - 2016-12-07 21:17:59 UTC
Gobbins wrote:
Unbelievable

1. So why would anyone siege 9 bil worth of rorqual to make 200 mil an hour post-nerf, when a 2 bil carrier will make 150 mil/hr while staying fully aligned?

2. By making the excavator cheaper won't most dual boxing rorqs just add a third rorq? the total isk committed to the belt will stay the same, and rorquals are not very hard to multi box - so what do you do then nerf it harder? All this does is makr Rorquals the multi boxer's isk printer while single boxing plebes will stick to carriers.

3. Why not balance the risk reward through **Risk** rather than nerfing reward? For example by nerfing panic mode, or putting a delay between recall and drones entering the bay. Rorquals ops are incredibly easy to disrupt due to how fragile the excavators are. It makes for really interesting game play and counter play and you go and say "oh no we can't have that"

I mean your recent changes have all been a mind boggling series of removing risk from everying:

- Citadels making supers untouchable while moving
- ECs making bpos untouchable while building/researching
- I mean citadels in general and god knows we've been taking advantage of them
- And let's not forget good old hi sec incursions printing equivalent isk to nullsec ratting, but without risk

Finally you had put something interesting in the game and you nerf it? What are you guys even doing?

Man I am so triggered I am sitting here agreeing with goons that's how butt-annhilated I am.


> Leave the big Reward, increase RISK by looking at the panic module OR by making excavators more vulnerable. <

Cripes.


Best post in the thread so far...

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

ckinoutdahoe
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#186 - 2016-12-07 21:22:54 UTC
Good day to CCP and all the players of EVE,

This post will be a bit salty as there is a good bit to be pissed about.

Aside from not getting my ticket addressed for 8 days so I was not able to play..well boohoo right.

Well as a 10 year player and have taken the time to save some 30 bill liquid and have on hand another amount of such if need be for the NOVEMBER 15th massive release.

Not only was I not able to enhance all players who went to the outer ring to convert the LP's they had for isk by via the new bpc's due to being unable to log in........great timing for the 2 part verification BS... massive thumbs up on that. NOT!!!!!

Next, but far less important being able to buy x amount of material for the new drones. Thus, if you think the Imperium has a lot of RORQ's on the field now consider how many left theirs docked due to no excavator drones being available to include 4 of mine. I am sure I can list at least a 1/2 dozen with at least 4 accounts with RORQ's and dozens of others 3 or less accounts wanting to play with the improved version of this massive null sec mining ship

More importantly is that a non named GM stated to one person only about info on what is more or less needed to build them at the vegas convention.....so instead of making a release of the info; one person or group has made trillions of isk at the expense of all the others, nor has CCP addressed the issue to ensure such parts would be available after said person (group) sucked the markets dry well before hand thus after the release you as a RORQ pilot got shafted.

Now that you have spent a billion plus per drone to the tune of about 6 billion plus per set now you get the nerf in less than a month.

Maybe a small nerf is in order but 32%....really !!! for drones that move slow as mole ass's unless you have 3 faction mods on it to help it out a little bit.

So to sum things up...... (1) Rorq at 3 bill, fittings and rigs add another 2.5b to fend off a small fleet at best, and another 6 plus billion for the new drones.......for a grand total of 11.5 plus bill just to mine with the best ship in the game ........and now nerf it in less than a month is deplorable.

There has been ample time in advance to do the math, so leave the nerf in the dust or maybe take 10% and give the new drones some speed.

There is more to say but I hope you see the points addressed in all of our posts to this point.

Thank you for your time
COMMANDER KATMAN
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#187 - 2016-12-07 21:25:22 UTC  |  Edited by: COMMANDER KATMAN
CCP the buff to drop rates sure... still going to take time for that to be farmed and hit markets, but you swing to hard this time with The Bat Arrow


I think the nerf needs to be more like 10-15% and a balance buff to drone speed so you don't totally kill the whole revamp with this 32%

you could even keep the drones as they are, and add some high level skills and lock some of the excavators yield in to the extra skill time investment, rather than just flat nerf the crap out of them

You did good with the rework, don't kill that work being heavy handed.

Also maybe think about adding more than 1 super weapon option, give us other options to the Nexus Core... I am sure we all have tons of good ideas for such mods.

Thanks.

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Skia Aumer
Planetary Harvesting and Processing LLC
#188 - 2016-12-07 21:33:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Skia Aumer
Andail Chanter wrote:
Skia Aumer wrote:
Because GSF cannot fly Rorqs?

PL has an in-game surface area that presents few, if any, soft spots, unlike most other groups in game. It's to their advantage to have a wildly OP jump HIC.

Sounds like a nice PL advert.
Seriously though, I used to respect Goons. They could take a mechanics and abuse it as hell, showcasing how broken it was. And there were the days when Goons could take on any ~apex force~ with twice the numbers and build a monument of their enemy titan wrecks.
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#189 - 2016-12-07 21:35:21 UTC
Skia Aumer wrote:
Andail Chanter wrote:
Skia Aumer wrote:
Because GSF cannot fly Rorqs?

PL has an in-game surface area that presents few, if any, soft spots, unlike most other groups in game. It's to their advantage to have a wildly OP jump HIC.

Sounds like a nice PL advert.
Seriously though, I used to respect Goons. They could take a mechanics and abuse it as hell, showcasing how broken it was. And there were the days when Goons could take on any ~apex force~ with twice the numbers and build a monument of their enemy titan wrecks.

just as always, it would literally be impossible for us to care less about the respect of npc pubbies
Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#190 - 2016-12-07 21:36:52 UTC
Skia Aumer wrote:

Seriously though, I used to respect Goons.


Found the lie.

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Henry Plantgenet
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#191 - 2016-12-07 21:37:26 UTC
Fozzie originally said the excavator mining drones would be 18k m³ per minute.
The release had them mine 40k m³ per 90 seconds which is about 27k m³ per minute.
a 32% nerf is happening.

0,68 * 26.666m³ / minute = 18000 m³ / minute.
Coincidence? I THINK NOT!!!
Sharasa
Royal Manticoran Excavation
#192 - 2016-12-07 21:46:32 UTC

Let me get this straight. I just bought a Rorqual a few days ago because of the exciting new mining calculations i came up with. My only thing I was worried about was losing it during its mining seige. I never got to even use it once. I spent a lot of time and isk to move it. Then you take away the whole reason for me buying it within 2 weeks of the changes. Awesome planning CCP.

I want my 3 billion isk back
FearlessLittleToaster
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#193 - 2016-12-07 21:46:34 UTC
Well this is interesting. A few days before my Rorquals were due to be delivered too. So, in terms of feedback, there are two different issues here. One is fine, the other is not.

On the not OK front, how is having an invincible seven minute heavy tackle a good thing? Especially one that costs less than a billion more than a properly fit HIC after insurance? A billion in Hics won't get anywhere near that kind of endurance in a real fight. I get that PL went all over-achiever and actually rigged/fit theirs in the recent fight, but that wasn't a requirement to use them as thins kind of tackle.

On the OK front, the nerf seems harsh but it's not changing my plan to buy a bunch of Rorquals. In fact, so long as the drop rate changes to the components bring down the price of the Excavators significantly, it makes them more attractive. I would rather risk 5b in a belt with 1.4b in insurance than 10b. Much less time to see my ROI, even with the payout chopped by a third.

Now, I also live in heavily inhabited space where I can reasonably expect to get a fleet to bail me out well before my PANIC wears off. For somebody without ten thousand foaming at the mouth Goons for backup the math may now look very very different.
Sarah Flynt
Red Cross Mercenaries
Silent Infinity
#194 - 2016-12-07 21:46:52 UTC
Henry Plantgenet wrote:
Fozzie originally said the excavator mining drones would be 18k m³ per minute.
The release had them mine 40k m³ per 90 seconds which is about 27k m³ per minute.
a 32% nerf is happening.

0,68 * 26.666m³ / minute = 18000 m³ / minute.
Coincidence? I THINK NOT!!!

which makes this basically not a nerf but a bugfix

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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#195 - 2016-12-07 21:48:07 UTC
Why? Everyone has already priced in a high end mineral crash. Just let it be. Abundant minerals are essential to local production if you ever want to nerf jump freighters. Just fix T2 supply chain and we're good to go.

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Sharasa
Royal Manticoran Excavation
#196 - 2016-12-07 21:49:46 UTC
Why don't they have a dislike button like in you tube.

Everyone should be pissed including non miners. Because then you could have killed people like me soloing in 0.0.
Nire Retipuj
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#197 - 2016-12-07 21:53:47 UTC
So much for believing what was promised. CCP reneged again.
Industry Fire Sale tonight in Immensea. Ratting is my new career since miners have been getting undermined for about 11 years now.

Excavators cost 1.5 billion making them cost prohibitive and now they're nerfed. Bad enough it's open season on Rorquals. What a waste of isk and pixels.

Keep breaking our game and watch us all go away. Don't think it cant happen. All you have to do is keep doing what you've been doing for the last eight years and keep making your membership angry. You all have been warned. This path eventually leads to certain doom.

Just offering up some advice to heed.
I don't want to see it go because I love this game. Please stop trying to fix what aint broken.

(I understand that "broken" is subjective.)
Skia Aumer
Planetary Harvesting and Processing LLC
#198 - 2016-12-07 21:58:45 UTC
Retar Aveymone wrote:
Skia Aumer wrote:
Andail Chanter wrote:
Skia Aumer wrote:
Because GSF cannot fly Rorqs?

PL has an in-game surface area that presents few, if any, soft spots, unlike most other groups in game. It's to their advantage to have a wildly OP jump HIC.

Sounds like a nice PL advert.
Seriously though, I used to respect Goons. They could take a mechanics and abuse it as hell, showcasing how broken it was. And there were the days when Goons could take on any ~apex force~ with twice the numbers and build a monument of their enemy titan wrecks.

just as always, it would literally be impossible for us to care less about the respect of npc pubbies

Fair enough. Then I'll make the same treatment for you:
Everything you say here is either
a) propaganda
b) metagame
c) scam
Neither of these is worth reading. Move along people, this is just goons doing their goon thing!
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#199 - 2016-12-07 22:00:00 UTC
Skia Aumer wrote:

Fair enough. Then I'll make the same treatment for you:
Everything you say here is either
a) propaganda
b) metagame
c) scam
Neither of these is worth reading. Move along people, this is just goons doing their goon thing!

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Renfus
Dread Fleet
Drop Imminent
#200 - 2016-12-07 22:14:04 UTC
Give Orcas the ability to use the new excavator drones.

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