EVE General Discussion

My issue is with a planet having a single POCO monopoly.

Yes, this means change of ownership requires destroying only one, and replacing it with your own.
Simple.
But it also means there is no non-violent way to contest a POCO.

In NS sov this is not possible. You cant aggress a blue POCO. If you attempt to aggress a red POCO, you might spark a war.
In HS, few operators have the force necessary to aggress the POCO, replace it, and defend it.
In LS, the matter is complicated, but again, hinged on monopoly of POCO per planet.
In WH, POCOs work as is. Defend your hole, or lose it.

I dont see any reason why planets should not have multiple POCOs which compete on rates.
They would all be aggressable as now.
If you dont like someone offering a better rate, take their POCO out, if you can.

But there is no rational reason why 1 POCO holder should have a monoploy on that planet.
Its contrary to the competitive and free market opportunity nature of EVE.

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If mulltiple POCOS are allowed, there is very little reason for any on entity to build more than one, except as a redundant secondary (which costs them).

So yes, this might result in dozens of POCOs around a world, but the consumer will choose the best rate amongst them.

Yes, destorying them all is possible, but why bother, when we are talking about an inspace asset with little intrisnic value/contents, except the rate on service they provide.

Diversion and ad hominem.

Clearly this has struck a nerve.

Explain to me why it is better that there is only one POCO per planet, as opposed to many?

It's literally called a "custom's office". It is, in effect, a governing body on the border between planetside and space. You don't get to just set up a second one of those because you feel like it. Go conquer the existing government (or buy out their interest) if you want it.

That aside, most of your assertions about highsec POCOs are largely fabrications. You could probably tear down most highsec POCOs as an alpha. While afk, even.

PS: There most certainly ARE interbus customs offices left in high sec. Saw one just recently within 4? jumps of a major hub. :D

It is something that I have wondered, why not more than one POCO.

Off topic I know but this is what people have done so as not to have to have a POCO or attack one as it is possible to use the command centre, the key thing is to put that and where you store your goods right next to each other, then make the link experimental and you can use the launch ability with only a certain loss of time to export stuff. I do that on planets with tax rates above what I am happy to pay and it works well. The tax is the NPC value only. The thing is that many people have realised this and dropped their rates to a level not to be silly.

You will find that many POCO's are owned by players aligned to the hisec merc war deccers and there are agreements between them in some areas.

1) You are not a moderator, or in any position to dictate to me what I can or cannot say, or whether my comments are ontopic.
2) You have yoursekf engaged my points on several occassions, which would make you off-topic as well.
3) You have not provided arguments against my position, as expressed relative to OPs concerns by extension and natural evoution of this thread into interrelating issues.
4) Vested interests are everywhere in EVE, including on this board., including you and I.
5)You are not addrwssing my arguments as extension of OPs concerns. I stead you haveposted ad hominem and attempts to redirect discussion elsewhere.

The easiest way to implement more than one customs office is return of the Interbus ones as the "primary" interface for POCO collection and just having office style listings within that interface window much like stations. The more offices the higher the tax rates on all players using said POCO. Gives incentive to war dec and remove others "offices" within the POCO. Same deployment of the gantry and the items just only to the same Interbus POCO location instead will keep the supply/demand change for the PI parts intact while also increasing demand significantly. A listing of corps/alliance offices within the interface, accessible only from actually being at the interface. War decs prompt an attackable beacon somewhere on the planet with the same RF and destruction cycles with one addition, drop loot of any PI production or storage from planetside and or in POCOs themselves as a % of production during the war dec itself. This gives further incentive for destruction of others offices than cheaper tax rates. Can also implement monthly rental fees to Interbus as an isk sink.

Your argument is that it's "wrong" that you can't just go establish your very own governmental entity where someone else has already established one without first contesting the existing governmental entity.



So, what, now anyone who wants to monopolize a high sec planet has to war dec every jackass who comes along and drops a gantry because there's literally no way to proactively defend your proverbial planetary border?

That aside, you're campaigning for change. You have to do better than, "I don't like it, it should be different because I say so."

Wat.

My argument is that anyone can establish as many POCOs as they wish with the NPC gov entity on the planet.

I am endorsing competition and free trade, ad opposed to the current monopoly of one POCO per planet.

POCOs are not governmental entities, they are just installations in orbit which convey material in both directions, as paid for by a Capsuleer.

And no, you dont have to wardec or destroy competing POCO owners, you can simply reduce your tariff rates.

If there are 100 POCOs, for which each capsuleer owner is paying, the capsuleer owner of even one POCO with lower rates will be the choice of PI operators on that planet (themselves, capsuleers).

This is the nature of competition, whixh is integral to EVE.
An automatic monopoly, as is now with POCOs, is anathema.

Ms/Mrs. Lulu,

You are missing the point.

Why should I have to pay you, or anyone else, anything.

Why should I not simply setup a POCO, at the same cost as yours, with a better rate than you offer on yours?
This is certainly the case in Citadels.

What rationale is there that since you made a POCO first on that planet, that I cant make POCOs there too and compete with you?
Again, there can be innumerate Citadels competing on rates, but for some irrational situation, planets are systemic monopolies.

Sure, I can buy POCOs from existing holders.
Sure, I can blow them up.
But why is one POCO a monopoly?
Where is the competition in that?

Interesting idea I guess. Maybe there's not enough Heavy Metals in the entire cluster to allow for two POCO's to be anchored on the same planet at the same time? I'm sure there's a fascinating lore reason.

Don't take this the wrong way but I think you are the one who misunderstands the competition here. If you don't like his POCO, offer to buy it outright, negotiate standings, or have it removed by a mercenary or even yourself.