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Beast of Revelations
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#21 - 2016-12-07 12:20:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Beast of Revelations
Memphis Baas wrote:
Actually, if they did, it would look like the gate camps the OP saw, and "miraculously" escaped.


Well, as I've said three times, they attempted scram, and shot. And as I said once, I checked their names against the KOS list - they are all on there.

I didn't escape because of skill - I have none. So the only thing I can think of is that it was luck. Who knows, maybe they were a little slow on the draw because they had been sitting there a while.
Memphis Baas
#22 - 2016-12-07 12:26:25 UTC
You have to treat us like clueless news stations who weren't at the scene yet feel the need to argue facts they don't know amongst each other. We aren't attacking you... well, I aren't, at least.
Beast of Revelations
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#23 - 2016-12-07 15:56:13 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
You have to treat us like clueless news stations who weren't at the scene yet feel the need to argue facts they don't know amongst each other. We aren't attacking you... well, I aren't, at least.


Ahhh... fair enough. No harm, no foul.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#24 - 2016-12-07 16:11:58 UTC
You have to understand that the "NRDS" thing that makes Provi attractive to people who want to dip their toe into the null-sec waters without really committing also makes it a lovely hunting ground for... everyone else. Spectre Fleet <3s Providence.

It's probably one of the most consistently hostile regions in the game, with far more death and destruction than most any region that isn't currently engaged in a war.

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Salvos Rhoska
#25 - 2016-12-07 17:30:15 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
Actually, if they did, it would look like the gate camps the OP saw, and "miraculously" escaped.

A neutral who's not in the intel channels and who hasn't set standings towards the locals wouldn't be able to tell who's in the gatecamp and for what purpose, when he loads local after jumping through a gate. It just looks like a bubble, several combat ships, you have to assume they'll shoot.


Entirely accurate and valid post.

But as I said, nontheless, Provi does not secure its entry/exit points.

Cynically,might infact be Provi alts running these gate camps:
A) they secure their mains activities by restricting access from reds, neutrals and blues.
B) they clandestinely reduce competition within Provi by knowingly restricting blue access past their gate camp alt.
C) This is rational, both to secure the Provi region against incursion, and to support your alts security/profit in their endevours within Provi.

I cant speak to Provi border control policy, but as is increasingly the realisation in IRl domestic policy, if you dont have, guard and enforce a border, you will be invaded by "illegals".

Inorder for a neutral to be blued in Provi, they must be vetted.
Inorder to be vetted, they must enter Provi and demonstrate non-violence on its occupants.

Why is Provi not patrolling/guarding its own entries/exits?
Why are they tolerating reds/neutrals guarding it for them?

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#26 - 2016-12-07 18:45:22 UTC
Beast of Revelations wrote:

...Saw lots of wrecks and floating corpses, so they were getting people...

One thing you could do is to check and see how many ships have been destroyed in the last hour at the map waypoint you wish to go through using map filters. Lots of ships destroyed there in last hour obviously could mean it's camped...

Providence locals won't shoot someone not on their KOS list (usually...almost always...but it is EvE, after all...) but it's the many roving gangs / fleets of players hunting in there all the time that will. The local sov-holders fight constantly against such very common intrusions, but they of course can't be everywhere all the same time.







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Blodi deVriis
Sisters of Steel
Moist.
#27 - 2016-12-07 20:18:32 UTC
I lived in Provi for a while, about one year ago, with this character being member of a lcoal corp, and with an alt, member of a NPC corp.
As a member of a NPC you will usually not be shot, but the locals will be very suspicious and usually ask you to leave their system. With my NPC alt I felt uncomfortable, and I think you really do not have any advantages to stay in Provi as a single character.
Therefore I recommend to join a corp in Provi, so that you get access to the intel channels etc.

About gate camps: HED-GP will nearly always have one, but inside Provi I didn't encounter too many. But I have to admit, later I tried to uses wormhole routes as often as possible.

Large scale industrial operations. On demand, on time, on budget. Selling: T2, T3 ships and their respective blueprints. Buying: minerals, salvage, datacores.
Blodi deVriis
Sisters of Steel
Moist.
#28 - 2016-12-07 20:28:14 UTC
Wow, I am on the KOS list although I never performed an hostile action.
This is really uncool, any comment on this from CVA officials?

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2016-12-07 22:44:24 UTC
Blodi deVriis wrote:
Wow, I am on the KOS list although I never performed an hostile action.
This is really uncool, any comment on this from CVA officials?


Any random CVA nerd can add you to the KOS list. Just say something one of them doesn't like in local and bam, you're done. That's why it's such a joke.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Salvos Rhoska
#30 - 2016-12-07 23:27:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
I repeat, Provi is not manning its own borders (or they are manned by alts which gatecamp for their own interests).

Man the gates. Protect your space. Or suffer the consequences.

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SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#31 - 2016-12-07 23:29:25 UTC
Blodi deVriis wrote:
Wow, I am on the KOS list although I never performed an hostile action.
This is really uncool, any comment on this from CVA officials?


Probably inherited from your corp/alliance being on the KOS list.

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Narga Deka
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2016-12-07 23:31:55 UTC
PROVIE will not attack first. We don't camp our boarders. Our space is the pvp haven of new eden. Red fleets come threw and we chase them home. The entry systems are normally camped by leet pvpers that don't leave the gate Until deshiped. Getting into providence can be difficult but if you keep your nose clean you wont be attacked unless there is a good reason.
Orakkus
ImperiaI Federation
Goonswarm Federation
#33 - 2016-12-07 23:49:50 UTC
Blodi deVriis wrote:
Wow, I am on the KOS list although I never performed an hostile action.
This is really uncool, any comment on this from CVA officials?


Not a CVA official, but been around Provi for a while. The list goes back a long, long way.. and while zkillboard only shows until Jan 2015, that doesn't necessarily mean you didn't do something bad prior to then (you are a 2014 character after all). Typically you can only get off this list if you pay reparations or if you become a member of a provi holder, or both. Usually, the KOS determination has a reason listed with it.

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Blodi deVriis
Sisters of Steel
Moist.
#34 - 2016-12-08 21:46:52 UTC
I never ever do bad things!
Yesterday I even helped a noob to leave our wormhole, instead of killing him.

Other corpmates are not on the list, so it cannot be inherited form corp/alliance status. Must be something personal instead...

Large scale industrial operations. On demand, on time, on budget. Selling: T2, T3 ships and their respective blueprints. Buying: minerals, salvage, datacores.
KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
#35 - 2016-12-08 23:06:39 UTC
Blodi deVriis wrote:
I never ever do bad things!
Yesterday I even helped a noob to leave our wormhole, instead of killing him.

Other corpmates are not on the list, so it cannot be inherited form corp/alliance status. Must be something personal instead...

You remind me of someone....hmm.....can't really place you...

You kinda look like this guy

Dum Spiro Spero
KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2016-12-09 05:30:23 UTC
Blodi deVriis wrote:
I never ever do bad things!
Yesterday I even helped a noob to leave our wormhole, instead of killing him.

Other corpmates are not on the list, so it cannot be inherited form corp/alliance status. Must be something personal instead...


Your corp is not KOS but your alliance is.

Some of your alliance mates must have been naughty.

Have your alliance diplos contact a CVA diplo if you want off the KOS list.

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