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[December] Excavator Mining Drone yield rebalance

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Schlampa
Doomheim
#161 - 2016-12-07 19:56:37 UTC
Looks like Christmas came early this year.
Man v Food
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#162 - 2016-12-07 19:56:45 UTC
nice fozzie is back after his last ****** idea,now another **** up by fozzie


if you think enough time has passed and people have forgotten your completely useless ideas...it has'nt


and on that note you can refund the isk i spent on these **** drones that move slower than my rorqual and now they are going to mine less than a ship that cost 1/4 that they do

gj fozzie wb tosser
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#163 - 2016-12-07 19:57:17 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Hey everyone. We've been keeping a close eye on how people are using the newly rebalanced Rorquals and it's been really exciting watching how well people have taken to the new gameplay.

We have decided that we need to make a tweak in our December release next Tuesday to adjust the balance of mining Rorquals and keep the mining economy in a healthy place.

We are planning two connected changes in this release:
  • Reducing the mining yield of 'Excavator' Mining Drones by 32%
  • Increasing the drop rates of the Elite Drone AI and Drone Coronary Unit rogue drone components

We are continuing to keep an eye on all aspects of gameplay around the mining foreman ships. I know some players are hoping that we would make adjustments to other areas of Rorqual gameplay (such as ewar use while the PANIC module is running) but we feel comfortable leaving those aspects alone for now and continuing to observe how the metagame evolves. We of course reserve the right to make more changes to this or any other aspects of the Rorqual in upcoming patches to keep the ecosystem in balance.

Thanks!


This sounds like a bad idea. Wasn't the reason for the new Excavators to exist to give NullSec-miners a better chance at being competitive to HighSec-miners?

Cutting their output by an entire third seems excessive and bad for game balance, I suggest if you guys think it's absolutely necessary, cut it down by 5% or somethings. Far more reasonable.
Sarah Flynt
Red Cross Mercenaries
Silent Infinity
#164 - 2016-12-07 19:59:46 UTC
Man v Food wrote:
nice fozzie is back after his last ****** idea,now another **** up by fozzie


if you think enough time has passed and people have forgotten your completely useless ideas...it has'nt


and on that note you can refund the isk i spent on these **** drones that move slower than my rorqual and now they are going to mine less than a ship that cost 1/4 that they do

gj fozzie wb tosser

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SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#165 - 2016-12-07 19:59:48 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
Owen Levanth wrote:


This sounds like a bad idea. Wasn't the reason for the new Excavators to exist to give NullSec-miners a better chance at being competitive to HighSec-miners?


What does that even mean?

For funsies, what's the paper IPH of a max-yield Rorqual today? How about the realized IPH?

What would it be once adjusted for this nerf?

What about for high sec mining?

Just trying quantify "a better chance at being competitive to HighSec-miners", here.

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Allus Nova
#166 - 2016-12-07 20:00:02 UTC
Dammit Fozzie, if you make them ****** then we will not have Rorquals to blow up in space because nobody will use them!!

With as expensive as they are combined with their siege cycle...they SHOULD be a little OP mining wise. It doesn't matter if you make the drones cheaper with better drop rates, if the Rorqual isn't effective, nobody will use it, so we can't hunt them!!

Please rethink the mining yield nerf...32% is HUGE, and it will discourage many people from using them.


CCP Fozzie wrote:
Hey everyone. We've been keeping a close eye on how people are using the newly rebalanced Rorquals and it's been really exciting watching how well people have taken to the new gameplay.

We have decided that we need to make a tweak in our December release next Tuesday to adjust the balance of mining Rorquals and keep the mining economy in a healthy place.

We are planning two connected changes in this release:
  • Reducing the mining yield of 'Excavator' Mining Drones by 32%
  • Increasing the drop rates of the Elite Drone AI and Drone Coronary Unit rogue drone components

We are continuing to keep an eye on all aspects of gameplay around the mining foreman ships. I know some players are hoping that we would make adjustments to other areas of Rorqual gameplay (such as ewar use while the PANIC module is running) but we feel comfortable leaving those aspects alone for now and continuing to observe how the metagame evolves. We of course reserve the right to make more changes to this or any other aspects of the Rorqual in upcoming patches to keep the ecosystem in balance.

Thanks!
Allus Nova
#167 - 2016-12-07 20:01:15 UTC
Sarah Flynt wrote:
Man v Food wrote:
nice fozzie is back after his last ****** idea,now another **** up by fozzie


if you think enough time has passed and people have forgotten your completely useless ideas...it has'nt


and on that note you can refund the isk i spent on these **** drones that move slower than my rorqual and now they are going to mine less than a ship that cost 1/4 that they do

gj fozzie wb tosser

Don't shoot the messenger



Messengers who are in a position to help shape the discussion are fully culpable.
Loken Grimsward
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#168 - 2016-12-07 20:04:47 UTC
Take baby step you wanker. Maybe try 16% and wait a month before you **** everyone in the arse with the nerfbat
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#169 - 2016-12-07 20:05:04 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Owen Levanth wrote:


This sounds like a bad idea. Wasn't the reason for the new Excavators to exist to give NullSec-miners a better chance at being competitive to HighSec-miners?


What does that even mean?

For funsies, what's the paper IPH of a max-yield Rorqual today? How about the realized IPH?

What would it be once adjusted for this nerf?

What about for high sec mining?

Just trying quantify "a better chance at being competitive to HighSec-miners", here.


Man, you sure love asking rhetoric questions, do you?
Philip Shazih
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#170 - 2016-12-07 20:09:57 UTC
Since the announcement Mex has jumped up 7%, Pyrite has jumped up 13% and trit has jumped up 7% with the high end ores decreasing slightly in price.

A perfectly normal response. The nerf is already in the process of undoing a lot of itself... Don't overreact... CCP nerfed volume they did NOT nerf income.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#171 - 2016-12-07 20:10:32 UTC
Owen Levanth wrote:
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Owen Levanth wrote:


This sounds like a bad idea. Wasn't the reason for the new Excavators to exist to give NullSec-miners a better chance at being competitive to HighSec-miners?


What does that even mean?

For funsies, what's the paper IPH of a max-yield Rorqual today? How about the realized IPH?

What would it be once adjusted for this nerf?

What about for high sec mining?

Just trying quantify "a better chance at being competitive to HighSec-miners", here.


Man, you sure love asking rhetoric questions, do you?


A rhetorical question is asked with no expectation of an answer. I'm actually looking for numbers, here.

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Eye-Luv-Girls wDaddyIssues
Hookers N' Blow
#172 - 2016-12-07 20:18:05 UTC
Rorquals + their drones are overly expensive because they are so OP, prices will come down very very soon.. like around December 13th or sooner.
waltari
State War Academy
Caldari State
#173 - 2016-12-07 20:19:20 UTC
posting in a CCP Fozzie's announcement to become spacefamous Roll
DarkMoon Picard
Space Travellers Administration
#174 - 2016-12-07 20:23:02 UTC
32% is too much of a nerf.
I definately won't be mining with industrial core in future since the risk is too high compared to the reward. I will also be a bit away from the rocks and won't be using excavator drones. I simply cloak or jump away if there is a threat. Due to that the fitting will be a lot cheaper.
Since i wont be using the indu core, the miners can swap back to hulks instead of skiffs to compensate the lower yield.

It would've been a better decision to simply disallow the use of the indnustrial core if there is already an industrial core running in the system. This makes multiboxing impossible (at least within the same system).

Nullsec mining dropped to near null in most regions already. This nerf takes away the risk/reward that you wanted to add and also takes away the juicy targets for the PvP people.
I guess its time to swap from mining to carrier ratting or to incursions.
Eye-Luv-Girls wDaddyIssues
Hookers N' Blow
#175 - 2016-12-07 20:27:18 UTC
DarkMoon Picard wrote:
32% is too much of a nerf.
I definately won't be mining with industrial core in future since the risk is too high compared to the reward. I will also be a bit away from the rocks and won't be using excavator drones. I simply cloak or jump away if there is a threat. Due to that the fitting will be a lot cheaper.
Since i wont be using the indu core, the miners can swap back to hulks instead of skiffs to compensate the lower yield.

It would've been a better decision to simply disallow the use of the indnustrial core if there is already an industrial core running in the system. This makes multiboxing impossible (at least within the same system).

Nullsec mining dropped to near null in most regions already. This nerf takes away the risk/reward that you wanted to add and also takes away the juicy targets for the PvP people.
I guess its time to swap from mining to carrier ratting or to incursions.


OMG IMAGINE THE MINING DRAMA

Only 1 Industrial or Panic module active per system.
Rexxen Darkbrew
Hounds Of Haides
Shadow Ultimatum
#176 - 2016-12-07 20:31:26 UTC
Allus Nova wrote:
Dammit Fozzie, if you make them ****** then we will not have Rorquals to blow up in space because nobody will use them!!

With as expensive as they are combined with their siege cycle...they SHOULD be a little OP mining wise. It doesn't matter if you make the drones cheaper with better drop rates, if the Rorqual isn't effective, nobody will use it, so we can't hunt them!!

Please rethink the mining yield nerf...32% is HUGE, and it will discourage many people from using them.


CCP Fozzie wrote:
Hey everyone. We've been keeping a close eye on how people are using the newly rebalanced Rorquals and it's been really exciting watching how well people have taken to the new gameplay.

We have decided that we need to make a tweak in our December release next Tuesday to adjust the balance of mining Rorquals and keep the mining economy in a healthy place.

We are planning two connected changes in this release:
  • Reducing the mining yield of 'Excavator' Mining Drones by 32%
  • Increasing the drop rates of the Elite Drone AI and Drone Coronary Unit rogue drone components

We are continuing to keep an eye on all aspects of gameplay around the mining foreman ships. I know some players are hoping that we would make adjustments to other areas of Rorqual gameplay (such as ewar use while the PANIC module is running) but we feel comfortable leaving those aspects alone for now and continuing to observe how the metagame evolves. We of course reserve the right to make more changes to this or any other aspects of the Rorqual in upcoming patches to keep the ecosystem in balance.

Thanks!


Very well put... Not to mention the fun and logistics and team play that is now required to successfully mine..Just the other day 3 nyx's and a couple sabre's dropped on on a 3 rorq operation ,,,all Rorq's killed.
Yah alot less Rorq's to hunt come Dec 13th.

Anyways there are people that came back to the game just because of the new mining implements to the Rorq .Which made it much more useful and fun .
So all in all now it's "The big mining changes of Novmber" was just a giant hi-secboost with the Orca's huge new ore hold..Much less reason for people to venture into null and take there chances in industry.
Market PLLS
Les Fideles d'Aelia
#177 - 2016-12-07 20:32:03 UTC
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#178 - 2016-12-07 20:35:26 UTC
Market PLLS wrote:
https://zkillboard.com/ship/28352/losses/


Nice rebalance ...



You couldn't possibly present a less relevant point.

Some Rorquals died. So the **** what?

How many didn't die? What's the net mining intake Vs. loss?

What's the average loss-per-flight-hour of Rorquals?

Oh, wait. You can't answer any of that because all you know is that some Rorquals died, which, absent any further context, tells you that Rorquals are being flown and little else.

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Eye-Luv-Girls wDaddyIssues
Hookers N' Blow
#179 - 2016-12-07 20:41:27 UTC
Market PLLS wrote:
https://zkillboard.com/ship/28352/losses/


Nice rebalance ...


LOL https://zkillboard.com/kill/57961572/

to that specific one. You forgot to point it out.
penifSMASH
ElitistOps
Deepwater Hooligans
#180 - 2016-12-07 20:43:33 UTC
these tears... so epic... they fuel me..