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Returning Player – High-Sec Freighter Escort Tip Pls?
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Ivy Axisur
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2016-12-07 19:13:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Ivy Axisur
I’ve been away from EVE from some time and have recently returned.
After a couple losses, and a bunch of reading, it seems like industrial, freighter, transport, mining, and fancy ship ganking is a common thing now even if not for profit.

A few general and a couple specific questions:
1. I red-flaged CODE; Who else do I need to add to contacts?
2. Is there an in-game anti-gank intel channel? I had one, but it seems to be inactive now.

What is the fit for and escort / scout in high sec? I have decent setups for low/WH/0.0 - but I think most would get me killed by Concord in high sec - especially when neutral corps are involved in the gank.

I understand the webbing, but what else works well for defense?
Like a lot of things in EVE , I keep finding old info that I’m not sure is still relevant. I’m in a very small corp with only 2-3 active players at any given time. So the fleet will consist of just 1-2 defenders, I need them to be as useful as possible.

We're trying to relocate and need to do a lot of moving.

Does the “TARGET SPECTUM BREAKER” work in high sec, or will that get me Concorded? (never used this mod before)
Does the lockbreaker bomb cause me to get Concorded?

It seems like targeted ECM would be useless against a decent size fleet; and remote repairing as well, True?

How are "bumpers" dealt with if hidden from dscan?

Any other tips would be appreciated, I know the basics of DSCAN, Scout, Web, avoidance, but may be unfamiliar with newer tactics. This was far less of an issue last time I played.
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2 - 2016-12-07 19:36:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Shae Tadaruwa
Join the 'Haulers Channel'

Create courier contracts and post them there.

Relax with a drink, knowing someone else has accepted the risk and covered it with 110% of the worth in collateral.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Rapala Armiron
Arton Yachting and Angling Club
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#3 - 2016-12-07 19:43:36 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Join the 'Haulers Channel'

Create courier contracts and post them there.

Relax with a drink, knowing someone else has accepted the risk and covered it with 110% of the worth in collateral.


Join Haulers channel. Create contracts with items worth bupkis, covered with collateral worth Billions. Upon acceptance, shoot the hauler and then collect your iskies. Relax with a drinking knowing that you have made eve a better place for one and all.
Ivy Axisur
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2016-12-07 19:45:03 UTC
I get that - and thanks, but I rather learn how to do it myself.

I think, I'm going to go more industrial / high sec this time around because we're older now and have less game time, so these skills will probably be useful.
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5 - 2016-12-07 19:50:31 UTC
Rapala Armiron wrote:
Join Haulers channel. Create contracts with items worth bupkis, covered with collateral worth Billions. Upon acceptance, shoot the hauler and then collect your iskies. Relax with a drinking knowing that you have made eve a better place for one and all.

Anyone that would accept a contract that has terms outside the channels recommendations deserves to be blown skyhigh.

Good haulers never accept contracts with their hauling character, only with alts; which completely shoots down your scenario.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2016-12-07 19:51:52 UTC
1. Don't make yourself a profitable gank target by hauling a too expensive cargo
2. Always fit for tank, not for extended cargo
3. Never use autopilot, always fly manually
4. Keep an eye on local, prolific gankers are usually at -10 sec status and will show up in your local overview
4. most dangerous systems are in the pipelines between the major trade hubs, especially with security level 0,5 and 0,6 (Uedama and Niarja iirc)
5. I just realized I used the number 4 twice
6. so this should be number 7, then
8. if in doubt, buy a hauling permit from CODE.
9. DSTs are usually safer and quicker than freighters and can have similar EHP if fitted correctly
10. if you feel the same pilot is following you over several systems, just give in to your natural paranoia and fly a little zig zags or dock up until you are rid of him

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2016-12-07 20:14:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Neuntausend
Ivy Axisur wrote:
I get that - and thanks, but I rather learn how to do it myself.

Kudos for that. In addition to what's been posted so far, I have some as well:

- if you fly an Industrial (plain T1 or Deep Space Transport), google MWD cloak trick and learn to use it. If executed correctly, it will make you almost untouchable on Hisec gates.
- consider using covops frigates (either plain "Covert Ops" or Bombers) for small volume/high value cargo (deadspace modules, clone soldier tags, blueprints and the likes) or Blockade Runners for bigger volumes/high value, and warp cloaked all the time. Most gankers will not even realize you were there. ;)
- even with the two methods mentioned above, you are still vulnerable when undocking from a station. To counteract that, make insta undocks before you undock your loot pinata to get off the station undock quickly. Google the term if you do not know what I'm talking about.

- if you fly a freighter, consider having a friend help you. Flying a Rapier, Loki or Huginn he can quickly web you after each jump, allowing you to enter warp much more quickly, greatly reducing the window of opportunity for potential attackers. That, along with tanking it and not overloading it in terms of ISK value is pretty much the only thing you can do with a freighter.
Ivy Axisur
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2016-12-07 20:28:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Ivy Axisur
Most of this I’m already familiar with (insta undock is a new one) – but still good tips, thanks.Smile
I spent most of my time in WH space so I'm accustom to threats & evasion. I'm somewhat less familiar with defending one's self in highsec against suicide and NPC corp alts.

Any suggestions on my original questions?
Bemo
Narcosis.
#9 - 2016-12-07 20:29:28 UTC

A few general and a couple specific questions:
1. I red-flaged CODE; Who else do I need to add to contacts?
2. Is there an in-game anti-gank intel channel? I had one, but it seems to be inactive now.

There is an Anti-ganking and Gank-Intel channels


I understand the webbing, but what else works well for defense?

Use the MWD+Cloak trick. Your best defense is to not get caught period.

Like a lot of things in EVE , I keep finding old info that I’m not sure is still relevant. I’m in a very small corp with only 2-3 active players at any given time. So the fleet will consist of just 1-2 defenders, I need them to be as useful as possible.

We're trying to relocate and need to do a lot of moving.

Use DST instead of freighters. They cost less, are faster, safer.

Does the “TARGET SPECTUM BREAKER” work in high sec, or will that get me Concorded?

Concordokken will happen

Does the lockbreaker bomb cause me to get Concorded?

Can't use bombs in HS/Low Sec


It seems like targeted ECM would be useless against a decent size fleet; and remote repairing as well, True?

Yep useless unless its a single ganker which never happens

How are "bumpers" dealt with if hidden from dscan?

There is now a 3 min timer. After 3 min you auto warp it was in a patch not too long ago

Any other tips would be appreciated, I know the basics of DSCAN, Scout, Web, avoidance, but may be unfamiliar with newer tactics. This was far less of an issue last time I played.

Basically just watch what you do. Try to align and stay hidden. If you jump through a gate and there are alot of people sitting on it just use the mwd+cloak trick (it is approved by cpp as a legit mechanic). No amount of tank will save you if you have a bunch of gankers on you no matter what people tell you.

( use to be a hauler, completed hundreds of high value contracts, never got ganked )
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2016-12-07 20:29:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Zimmy Zeta
@ 9000:

While I love Blockade Runners and have yet to lose one to a gank, I feel they are not the best ships to use in major tradehubs.
Jita undock especially gives me headaches: the undock is so crowded that you cannot cloak and you will very often be bumped out of alignment by the other ships, so even for my insta undock it takes a few precious seconds...with a ship that could probably be alpha'd by a single instalock gank Tornado.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Bemo
Narcosis.
#11 - 2016-12-07 20:31:25 UTC
Any other questions feel free to pm me ingame.
Ivy Axisur
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2016-12-07 20:34:42 UTC
Fantastic! Bemo Narcosis, thank you so much!

Neuntausend, Zimmy - thank you as well; very much appreciate it!

And ya blockade runners and covert ops are certainly my go-to choices for anything small.

Thanks again!
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2016-12-07 20:35:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Neuntausend
Yes. Avoid undocking from the Jita/Amarr Hubs if at all possible. Personally, I set up contracts to bring my stuff from the hub to another less crowded station in the same system, and then take over from there. Costs a million ISK or so and takes away the bulk of the risk. If they make it, business as usual. If they go pop - yay, instant profit!
Ivy Axisur
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2016-12-07 20:41:27 UTC
From what I gather, their really is no active defense - meaning once the gank has started escort ships are pretty useless unless you can bring a ton of targeted ECM?
Bemo
Narcosis.
#15 - 2016-12-07 20:46:26 UTC
Ivy Axisur wrote:
From what I gather, their really is no active defense - meaning once the gank has started escort ships are pretty useless unless you can bring a ton of targeted ECM?


Bring logi if anything. Just have to hold out for concord.
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#16 - 2016-12-07 20:46:51 UTC
Ivy Axisur wrote:
From what I gather, their really is no active defense - meaning once the gank has started escort ships are pretty useless unless you can bring a ton of targeted ECM?



Pretty much.
The only halfway useful defense would be a logi cruiser that puts reps on you and tries to keep you alive until concord arrives.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#17 - 2016-12-07 20:52:40 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
@ 9000:

While I love Blockade Runners and have yet to lose one to a gank, I feel they are not the best ships to use in major tradehubs.
Jita undock especially gives me headaches: the undock is so crowded that you cannot cloak and you will very often be bumped out of alignment by the other ships, so even for my insta undock it takes a few precious seconds...with a ship that could probably be alpha'd by a single instalock gank Tornado.


How to BR in Jita, simple you park a DST in another station, go to that station with the BR then change to DST and then have a bookmark on the station away from the exist and warp in points from gates. In terms of leaving have multiple instra warps and work them in a line so one will work at the angle you come out of Then return to the other station and swicth to BR. Simple and effective.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#18 - 2016-12-07 21:00:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
As far as I know the 3 minute timer on bumps has not been implemented.

To the OP, you have two choices, if you are going to run a freighter then you are at risk, you need to operate it as if it is an operation with your corp members. Let me point out that a JF with exit cyno's is the best way and make sure you have good cyno's set up. If you do use a freighter then note that webbing is something that can be defeated by the Blackbird that they use getting a point on you so the freighter does not warp allowing the bumper to get on you. That is really difficult to defeat with only 2-3 other people and for me it was the end of the line for my freighter, I sold it.

Use a DST as your best choice, tank the hell out of it more than anything else.

I don't know about other people but I tested the DST with the MWD cloak trick and I found that I had to fit for this, otherwise it did not work well enough and the issue is that in crowded locations your cloaking may be prevented. The Amarr DST can be set up with a truly beastly tank for about 534m which is something that I will be doing at some point.

Using the hauler channel is your best bet, just put the collateral at 125% of the value and pay a certain amount, 1m a jump will get it done and be nice and don't do contracts that require maximum cargo as they are too vulnerable and most people avoid them, do it from NPC station to NPC station as people will not do it to Citadels.

Hope that this helps.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#19 - 2016-12-07 21:06:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Zimmy Zeta
Dracvlad wrote:
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
@ 9000:

While I love Blockade Runners and have yet to lose one to a gank, I feel they are not the best ships to use in major tradehubs.
Jita undock especially gives me headaches: the undock is so crowded that you cannot cloak and you will very often be bumped out of alignment by the other ships, so even for my insta undock it takes a few precious seconds...with a ship that could probably be alpha'd by a single instalock gank Tornado.


How to BR in Jita, simple you park a DST in another station, go to that station with the BR then change to DST and then have a bookmark on the station away from the exist and warp in points from gates. In terms of leaving have multiple instra warps and work them in a line so one will work at the angle you come out of Then return to the other station and swicth to BR. Simple and effective.


Sounds effective but not especially simple.
I usually just use my über-tanked DST for inter-hub travels and my BR for most other deliveries (especially through lowsec).
A lot simpler this way.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#20 - 2016-12-07 21:11:32 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
@ 9000:

While I love Blockade Runners and have yet to lose one to a gank, I feel they are not the best ships to use in major tradehubs.
Jita undock especially gives me headaches: the undock is so crowded that you cannot cloak and you will very often be bumped out of alignment by the other ships, so even for my insta undock it takes a few precious seconds...with a ship that could probably be alpha'd by a single instalock gank Tornado.


How to BR in Jita, simple you park a DST in another station, go to that station with the BR then change to DST and then have a bookmark on the station away from the exist and warp in points from gates. In terms of leaving have multiple instra warps and work them in a line so one will work at the angle you come out of Then return to the other station and swicth to BR. Simple and effective.


Sounds effective but not especially simple.
I usually just use my über-tanked DST for inter-hub travels and my BR for most other deliveries (especially through lowsec).
A lot simpler this way.


That works Big smile, I use a BR for lowsec, however gate to gate in certain areas is not recommended, but I am certain you know that as it is evident that you know what you are doing.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
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