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Solo ORCA Hi-Sec Mining: Good idea or Bad?
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Pondsworth
Abyss Cooperative
#1 - 2016-11-27 16:05:50 UTC
I'm in an all but dead corp and do all my mining solo in a Hulk, but I do own an Orca. With no corp mining fleets, it's just a big, slow hauler right now. I am a casual player and just don't have the time to drill down and do the number crunching. With the new changes to the Orca, how feasible and/or realistic is it to Hi-Sec solo mine in an Orca?

What sort of fit would you suggest?

Sorry this is a re-post. I had posted it in the wrong forum the first time. Roll
Kiddoomer
The Red Sequence
#2 - 2016-11-27 16:12:45 UTC
A youtuber named delonewolf made a video about exactly that, mining solo in orca in highsec.

The yield is not bad by any means, as long you stay close to the roids for your mining drones ( they're very very slow drones). Don't forget that only drones are used to mine here, so there's not point using mining laser upgrades and such, so you can focus your fit on drones modules for speed and tank with a damage control and hull plates.

In the name of Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen : “Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.”
Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#3 - 2016-11-27 18:47:44 UTC
To get a decent yield you will need large drone mining augmenter rigs. I made a lot of ISK selling the T2 version for double what they cost to build last Tuesday. Price has gone up since then! Mining drones also benefit from the drone interfacing skill and, obviously the hull bonuses.

Drones do not benefit from the burst modules. Best you can hope for is to match an exhumer. With the Orca massive ore hold you shouldn't need to dock and unload.

Since you won't be fitting boost mods, you have room for a MWD - which can boost the Orca into warp in 1 cycle.
Pondsworth
Abyss Cooperative
#4 - 2016-11-27 21:57:42 UTC
I will definably check out that youtube video. I have a 10/20 mining drone BPO that I'll work out some T2 drones with after copy and invention. And I'll kit out maxing drone bennies. I hadn't thought of the MWD, good tip.

Thanks much.

I do a lot of mining. I have all 5 BPO's needed to build Charons and I'm on my 2nd one now. I've also built an Oblisk and a Phoenix as well as the Orca. I like to think big on ship building.
Forum Toon
Doomheim
#5 - 2016-11-27 22:01:41 UTC
there are 4 major advantages of industrial command ships mining with drones on highsec,

1. The yield is pretty good and you are only limited by your personal skill no need for boosts.
2. The HUGE ore hold. you can sit there until you clear half the belt.
3. AWESOME Tank. it will take serious effort to gank you. if you are not afk I don't believe anyone will be able to gank you.
4. (Didn't tried yet) I heard that you can now do boosts solo. so extra shields and armor when someone tries to gank you.
Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#6 - 2016-12-01 08:46:53 UTC
Forum Toon wrote:

4. (Didn't tried yet) I heard that you can now do boosts solo. so extra shields and armor when someone tries to gank you.


I have confirmed this (not with an Orca but other boosting ships with no fleet up. )

Most like ignore the armor boosts and go Shield resist and amount, stick in a mind link for a big boost.
Diametrix
Absolute Order
Absolute Honor
#7 - 2016-12-05 22:01:21 UTC
I'm solo cherry picking best ores in hi sec mining anomalies with a Porpoise (have an Orca but it's too slow for cherry picking and roaming). The command burst modules do effect your ship but the mining optimization bursts don't effect mining drones.

I like the sensor optimization for locking asteroids and belt rats quicker and some shield buffing for that 'I feel better now' sensation.

The yield is good enough and with an MTU + Mobile Depot you can switch fits along the way based on what you need.

Porpoise = great solo utility vessel. Orca = great fleet utility vessel in my humble opinion
IvanPetrovich Ivanov
Miners commune Red Dawn
#8 - 2016-12-07 19:16:38 UTC
And how much is yield per minute?

Can drones give more than 500 m3 per minute? Retriever gets 3000 m3 for 3 minutes, 1000 m3 per minute.
Haffsol
#9 - 2016-12-07 19:49:17 UTC
IvanPetrovich Ivanov wrote:
And how much is yield per minute?

Can drones give more than 500 m3 per minute? Retriever gets 3000 m3 for 3 minutes, 1000 m3 per minute.

It surely can. I have pretty horrible drone skills (drone interfacing 4 and only T1) and I get about 600m3 now (real yield, includes travel time). You Retriever's yield looks a bit low though.

Talking about the Orca and assuming maxed out skills it should be approximately like this, in m3/minute:

- T1: 750

- T2: 1,000

- Augmented: 1,100

- Harvester: 1,300

Not precise to the last bit but should give you the figures.
IvanPetrovich Ivanov
Miners commune Red Dawn
#10 - 2016-12-10 20:10:11 UTC
Haffsol wrote:
IvanPetrovich Ivanov wrote:
And how much is yield per minute?

Can drones give more than 500 m3 per minute? Retriever gets 3000 m3 for 3 minutes, 1000 m3 per minute.

It surely can. I have pretty horrible drone skills (drone interfacing 4 and only T1) and I get about 600m3 now (real yield, includes travel time). You Retriever's yield looks a bit low though.

Talking about the Orca and assuming maxed out skills it should be approximately like this, in m3/minute:

- T1: 750

- T2: 1,000

- Augmented: 1,100

- Harvester: 1,300

Not precise to the last bit but should give you the figures.


So, ~3000 per 3 minutes. Less than Retriever. So, the sence is in larger ore bay and ore compression?
Bemo
Narcosis.
#11 - 2016-12-11 07:37:00 UTC
IvanPetrovich Ivanov wrote:
Haffsol wrote:
IvanPetrovich Ivanov wrote:
And how much is yield per minute?

Can drones give more than 500 m3 per minute? Retriever gets 3000 m3 for 3 minutes, 1000 m3 per minute.

It surely can. I have pretty horrible drone skills (drone interfacing 4 and only T1) and I get about 600m3 now (real yield, includes travel time). You Retriever's yield looks a bit low though.

Talking about the Orca and assuming maxed out skills it should be approximately like this, in m3/minute:

- T1: 750

- T2: 1,000

- Augmented: 1,100

- Harvester: 1,300

Not precise to the last bit but should give you the figures.


So, ~3000 per 3 minutes. Less than Retriever. So, the sence is in larger ore bay and ore compression?



Orca cant do ore compression.
Haffsol
#12 - 2016-12-11 09:01:35 UTC
The sense is that the Orca is a boosting ship and a hauler, not a mining barge and the fact that it can mine almost as a mining barge or even an exhumer is quite outstanding. But no, if you wanted to upgrade your Retriever for your solo operations, you shouldn't be looking at the Orca.
Kosomot
Player Vs Ore
Miners Of Independence
#13 - 2016-12-11 22:51:35 UTC
Haffsol wrote:
The sense is that the Orca is a boosting ship and a hauler, not a mining barge and the fact that it can mine almost as a mining barge or even an exhumer is quite outstanding. But no, if you wanted to upgrade your Retriever for your solo operations, you shouldn't be looking at the Orca.



If we are playing around with items like this, would a mackinaw not be a worthy upgrade?

I always seem to think, it is the best solo barge because of the ore hold, however perhaps the orca is = but with way more ore hold.

i haven't bothered to take my orca out mostly because i'm not in null and i feel like an orca in null is a mistake with all those roaqs working like 12 Hulks.

If you decide that you want to make a corp change we are a null sec operation industrial corp. PM me and we can chat!!

Fly Safe

I am a miner, mission runner, and explorer...

or as EVE Online would have it...

A Carebear!!
Kiddoomer
The Red Sequence
#14 - 2016-12-12 09:41:52 UTC
Kosomot wrote:
Haffsol wrote:
The sense is that the Orca is a boosting ship and a hauler, not a mining barge and the fact that it can mine almost as a mining barge or even an exhumer is quite outstanding. But no, if you wanted to upgrade your Retriever for your solo operations, you shouldn't be looking at the Orca.



If we are playing around with items like this, would a mackinaw not be a worthy upgrade?

I always seem to think, it is the best solo barge because of the ore hold, however perhaps the orca is = but with way more ore hold.

i haven't bothered to take my orca out mostly because i'm not in null and i feel like an orca in null is a mistake with all those roaqs working like 12 Hulks.

If you decide that you want to make a corp change we are a null sec operation industrial corp. PM me and we can chat!!

Fly Safe



The thing is, the Mackinaw cost around 33% of an Orca, but is way less likely to get ganked with its impressive tank for highsec. So yes the yield is bad and revolves only around drones. But the security factor can't be put away I think and could explain why people use them when mining between 0.5 and 0.7 systems.

In the name of Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen : “Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.”