EVE General Discussion

I think people grew bored of the same spaceship stuff, that is why the other games about spaceships with more personal interactions direction are so hyped up.

They said: NEXT level gameplay please.

I believe they are talented simply by playing Eve, a game in which nothing like it has existed before or been copied since and part of that is because it is bloody difficult to do.

You can not create / maintain / expand a very complex game as Eve, which has lasted what, 13 years, which has a single shard and one of the most vocal communities without having talented and dedicated developers.

As for people leaving, guess what, people leave companies all time for a variety of different reasons. Some may leave because they want more money, others because they want a new challenge, others because they find it difficult to adapt to living in Iceland.

Show me one company where nobody leaves.

To even imply that their are not any talented and dedicated developers at CCP just because people have left over the 13 years is pretty damn weak to say the least.

As for your last point, your mixing developers with management.

You can have 'dedicated' and 'passionate' developers and still have a product which is buggy or unfinished if management make the decision to rollout.

In most games, hell in most software companies the developers rarely have the final say on whether a product is rolled out. The decision to rollout / deploy is usually made by Management driven by cost.

By your argument there must be about 10 'dedicated' and 'passionate' developers in the world as 99.9% of software is released with at least one bug, even the software that costs multi millions of pound to develop or is class as Safety Critical.

If a expansion that is release has parts unfinished which has happened with Eve, are you trying to blame the developers for that?

I would suggest you direct your angst towards the Management and not the people who have little to no power.

Also I have yet to play a MMO, MMORPG, Online FPS or MOBA where there was not a bug released with a patch / update.

More importantly their implementation of it was utter ****.

Incarna contained one out of the intended four captains quarters environments and the performance was so bad that it caused some peoples GPUs to run so hot that it physically damaged them. It was also completely mandatory, the captains quarters was a replacement for the traditional station interiors, so whenever you were in a station you were met with an ugly minmatar station interior coupled with a dramatic increased in resource use for something that does nothing and has no kind of gameplay associated with it.

This was also coupled with the introduction of "microstransactions" and I use quotations because the pricing points for cosmetic items with no in-game functionality were so ridiculously high that you could buy real life approximations for cheaper.

The release was also as buggy as all hell and contained nothing to do with spaceships, either in terms of new content or in fixes or in balance, despite players having been asking for these kinds of things explicitly or the last 12 months.

Basically players logged in to what can only be described as a total shitshow and it became apparent that CCP had totally lost touch with the playerbase and was just living in its own fantasy world totally detached from reality where whatever they did was infinitely amazing, where listening to input from actual paying customers was irrelevant to their success and where whatever groupthink was objective reality. This was also coupled with a bunch of incredibly rude, condescending and dismissive communications from CCP staff to the community about their problems with the whole issue.

Subsequently the entire userbase lost their ****, people mass unsubbed and PCU dropped through the god damned floor. The CEO of CCP eventually issued a public apology over the whole thing and decided to actually fix the ******* game and do things to improve gameplay instead of produce zero-value pseudo-features in the future.

So while the idea of avatar based things isn't inherently bad, whenever you bring it up you dredge up the baggage of what was probably the single worst mistake CCP ever made.

While I agree with the rest of your post, this part here is incorrect. Incarna gave us the new turret models and turret animations that were actually pretty great. It's about the best thing that came from this expansion, though.

Here is the video, with fittting music.

\o/

Please tell me I'm not the only one who fits dual or quad lasers occasionally- even though they are terrible, they just look so incredibly beautiful...

It's pretty much the only good thing (I think this was also the patch with the updated maller model too, which incidentally was super bugged and let things happen like devoters being able to light cynos in highsec under certain conditions).

Anything positive about the expansion is massively overshadowed by the questionable direction and awful quality of the thing overall. Turret models were a drop of water in an ocean of urine.

Whoa..I almost forgot about the Maller....here's a picture for our newbros, who don't know how crappy the old model looked.

I'll just try to remember Incarna as the expansion that gave us awesome turret effects and the Maller and try to kill via selective drinking those brain cells that hold memory of all the rest. Wish me luck!

Hehe, your idea definitely has some merit. Permadeath would really shake things up, especially for those who like to do suicide attacks. I remember one player saying he wanted to have his Avatar wear a Terrorist bomb vest and blow it up when he was next to a bunch of other Avatars just for the fun of it.

Anyway, thanks for the compliment about my write up. It's always good to walk down memory lane every once in a while.


DMC

I still remember posts like 'laser turrets should not have recoil'!
Anyone remembers having actual 3D pictures of turrets in icons for high-slots too? If i'm not mistaken CCP reversed icon change pretty fast unlike these years....