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Skill injectors diminishing returns.

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Maximus Bullet
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2016-12-06 20:56:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Maximus Bullet
What's up with the huge range and diminishing returns with skill injectors? 5million to 50million lmao! Why not a better teir system with the rate of return based on every 10-20 million SP or somethin?
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2016-12-06 21:03:37 UTC
ccp dev for the system was lazy,
go gotta go fast,
5-->50 whoooshhhhh
izi


ayyyy lmaoo
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2016-12-06 21:20:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Neuntausend
I mean, I've never been a huge fan of the injectors, but I said that as well back then. Could have made it work like the falloff curve, and I can't imagine this being too difficult to implement either, where the effect diminishes only very slightly in the beginning, then drops in an almost linear fashion beyond a certain point, and then slowly flattens again as it approaches zero near the end of the scale. The actual "falloff range" could be based on the average SP/character on the server, so the system would scale better depending on how many "Newbies" there are that may want to catch up and adapt to the addition or removal of skills to the game that would affect the SP cap.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2016-12-06 22:16:00 UTC
Actually it should be increasing returns! Because the skill progression already has huge diminishing returns built in.

When you have only a few million SP, +500k SP are a huge deal in terms of the extra bonuses, ships, abilities that you can unlock. Cool!

But when you're over 50 million SP, +150k SP does absolutely nothing but even +500k SP would barely just budge those last lvl V training queues!

So yeah, as a 65M+ SP character I demand more bang for my buck!!!11one! Gimme dat dirty SP, CCP!

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P3ps1 Max
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#5 - 2016-12-06 23:01:55 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Actually it should be increasing returns! Because the skill progression already has huge diminishing returns built in.

When you have only a few million SP, +500k SP are a huge deal in terms of the extra bonuses, ships, abilities that you can unlock. Cool!

But when you're over 50 million SP, +150k SP does absolutely nothing but even +500k SP would barely just budge those last lvl V training queues!

So yeah, as a 65M+ SP character I demand more bang for my buck!!!11one! Gimme dat dirty SP, CCP!

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hmmm ok.

But anyways, yea I agree the SP brackets between 5-50million should be bracketed a little better.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#6 - 2016-12-07 01:00:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Epeen
Neuntausend wrote:
I mean, I've never been a huge fan of the injectors,


Starting a sentence with 'I mean' is the one sure way to know that the poster is a millennial American. Much worse than the hippy dippy 'like' that it is replacing and way more annoying than the 'eh' that we tack on the end of every sentence.

Just sayin'

Mr Epeen Cool
Princess Adhara
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2016-12-07 01:22:11 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Neuntausend wrote:
I mean, I've never been a huge fan of the injectors,


Starting a sentence with 'I mean' is the one sure way to know that the poster is a millennial American. Much worse than the hippy dippy 'like' that it is replacing and way more annoying than the 'eh' that we tack on the end of every sentence.

Just sayin'

Mr Epeen Cool


I mean, your like, old, eh?

Lol
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#8 - 2016-12-07 01:29:13 UTC
Princess Adhara wrote:
I mean, your like, old, eh?Lol


I think the word you're looking for is "you're"; you know, I mean, like the contraction of "you are", ya know?

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Baggo Hammers
#9 - 2016-12-07 01:52:04 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Neuntausend wrote:
I mean, I've never been a huge fan of the injectors,


Starting a sentence with 'I mean' is the one sure way to know that the poster is a millennial American. Much worse than the hippy dippy 'like' that it is replacing and way more annoying than the 'eh' that we tack on the end of every sentence.

Just sayin'

Mr Epeen Cool



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Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#10 - 2016-12-07 02:00:34 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Neuntausend wrote:
I mean, I've never been a huge fan of the injectors,


Starting a sentence with 'I mean' is the one sure way to know that the poster is a millennial American. Much worse than the hippy dippy 'like' that it is replacing and way more annoying than the 'eh' that we tack on the end of every sentence.

Just sayin'

Mr Epeen Cool


aaf idk wat ur on abt
Memphis Baas
#11 - 2016-12-07 02:04:03 UTC
Has something to do with:

1. We accumulate 20 million skillpoints / year.

2. Depending on how you (don't) specialize, it can take: 1 year to futz around, 1 year for support skills, 1 year for T2 weapons + T2 ships, 1 year for the prerequisites for capital ships, 1 year for the capital ship skills, 1 year for T2 weapons/mods/defenses for said capital ships. So the point breaks are at 20 million, 40 million, 60 million, 80 million etc. skill points.

3. Unlocking ships and weapons is, maybe, fun. Training the necessary support skills so you can get much needed +5% here, +5% there, but no new ships and no new abilities (from new modules), is NOT fun.

4. So 5 million SP gets you a trading + PI alt. Spend 6 PLEX, get 10 injectors, done, alt can trade on the market and make some side income.

5. 50 million SP covers the dreaded "train your support skills" phase. 60 PLEX, $1,200, if you have it, you can skip past the boring first 2 years where you're just +5%'ing everything.

6. After that, they wanted people to have to spend the time to get the larger T2 ships and the capital ships at the same slow rate as everyone else, so the returns are super-diminishing.

Hope that answers your question.
Shallanna Yassavi
qwertz corp
#12 - 2016-12-07 02:13:19 UTC
Skill injectors need to die. They took grind-free progression and turned it into a variation of the old free-to-wait paywall used in so many bad F2P games.

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P3ps1 Max
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#13 - 2016-12-07 02:50:42 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Neuntausend wrote:
I mean, I've never been a huge fan of the injectors,


Starting a sentence with 'I mean' is the one sure way to know that the poster is a millennial American. Much worse than the hippy dippy 'like' that it is replacing and way more annoying than the 'eh' that we tack on the end of every sentence.

Just sayin'

Mr Epeen Cool


I'm confused, is it "way more" annoying or more annoying? And possibly add a period after Mr

Cheers :)
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2016-12-07 03:11:36 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Neuntausend wrote:
I mean, I've never been a huge fan of the injectors,


Starting a sentence with 'I mean' is the one sure way to know that the poster is a millennial American. Much worse than the hippy dippy 'like' that it is replacing and way more annoying than the 'eh' that we tack on the end of every sentence.

Just sayin'

Mr Epeen Cool

I mean, that's like a bad habit, right?

I'm not american, and the Eve community first and foremost is to blame for my english skills. I am the victim here!
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#15 - 2016-12-07 03:17:36 UTC
Neuntausend wrote:
.... I am the victim here!


Are you SURE you're not American? You sure sound American.....

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#16 - 2016-12-07 03:32:48 UTC
Shallanna Yassavi wrote:
Skill injectors need to die. They took grind-free progression and turned it into a variation of the old free-to-wait paywall used in so many bad F2P games.

skill injectors are actually superior to the old character sales method of combating gold & account sellers. Without one of those two systems account sellers and hacking become far more rife as there is a lot more real money profit in it when there isn't an in game isk method of doing the same.
The reason they are superior is that under skill injectors players behind characters don't change, only who has the SP. So what CCP actually need to do is phase character sales out so that once you know who is behind a character, you know they are always behind that character.
Cade Windstalker
#17 - 2016-12-07 03:37:47 UTC
It's meant to have Skill Injectors be broadly useful to a large chunk of the playerbase and retain value, but not a great way of boosting up very old characters who already fly, for example, multiple race's Titans. Hence the large range at the start and then the steeper drop off at the end.
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2016-12-07 12:53:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Neuntausend
Mephiztopheleze wrote:
Neuntausend wrote:
.... I am the victim here!


Are you SURE you're not American? You sure sound American.....

Quite. I have reached a state where I'm rotating between "Howdy folks! How's all y'all doing on this mighty fine day?", "Hello guv'nor! That's a spiffing tweed you have there ol' chap.", "how to words? I lost my ability to speech!", anything inbetween and more often than not a terrible mix of the three.

You see, I'm actually german, hence, my, odd use of, punctuation, and english is not my mother tongue. I did of course learn english in school, but that did not enable me to actually communicate. I picked that skill up on the internet over the last 10 or so years.
Josef Djugashvilis
#19 - 2016-12-07 13:26:58 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Neuntausend wrote:
I mean, I've never been a huge fan of the injectors,


Starting a sentence with 'I mean' is the one sure way to know that the poster is a millennial American. Much worse than the hippy dippy 'like' that it is replacing and way more annoying than the 'eh' that we tack on the end of every sentence.

Just sayin'

Mr Epeen Cool


Hey Mr !

I was a hippie back in the day and had a great time going to concerts and festivals - Led Zeppelin, December 8 1971 was the best concert I ever went to - and I have been a Rolling Stones fan since 1964.

And, like, hey man, was a far-out term to use when I was young. Smile

This is not a signature.

Memphis Baas
#20 - 2016-12-07 13:49:56 UTC
Starting a sentence with "I mean" indicates that you've been arguing both sides of an issue in your head, and started posting in the middle of said internal argument. Which means that at least you've given the topic of the post at least some thought.

Which, IMO, is much better than posting without thinking at all.

Which seems to happen a lot in General Discussion.
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