Player Features and Ideas Discussion

yet they do get used..... CCP doesn't set the cost player demand does. since they are being sold at that cost they are worth that cost. They are just not worth that cost to YOU

So, you want cheaper ships but you also want the markets to be screwed up completely and introduce even more inevitable taxes and shipping fees on top of items... Could you please decide what you want before you post 2 mutually exclusive ideas?

Not gonna lie, when I need to buy new ships, I'd be pretty annoyed if I had to fly to 6 different hubs for decent prices. I even have the option of a few JF's and plenty of cyno alts, and I'd STILL be annoyed by it.


Jita isn't going away. The convenience factor alone for having one place that has everything is enough to keep a Jita equivalent in game at all times by the hand of the player base.


If you want cheaper HAC's than you can get at Jita, get friendly with a guy who builds 'em, or else go conquer a few moons of your own. CCP interference in the market, barring extreme situations, is something that should be extremely limited.

... how is spreading out where ppl have to go make it more likely they will bump into each other rather than them all going to the same place? and how is discounting popular locations going to spread things out to begin with?

And as several people in that thread have stated, it's a counter-productive idea. You want to spread people out with a system that will in reality herd them to the same location (on an annoying random rotation based on activity) to get the best prices.

So there's 2 threads with ideas that were not thought out very well. Got another?

Technically, their industrial mineral and parts cost, and the demand and supply of those shared minerals and parts will affect the ship cost just as much, if not more than the player demand and market does.
CCP sets what the blueprint recipe is, so yes they do affect, if not set the cost.
As for whether this recipe is fair and comparable to the other T2 ships in the same category, I can't say.

Why?

This is a game where linear upgrades cost exponentially more as a rule.

Example:
A basic T1 Armor Adaptive Plating gives ~10% omni-resistance to damage for only 100 thousand ISK
A T2 Armor Adaptive Plating gives ~15% omni resistance to damage for 1 million ISK
A "deadpsace" Armor Adaptive Plating gives ~19% omni resistance to damage for 15 to 20+ million ISK.

This is to keep "cheaper/basic equipment" competitive against more "powerful" equipment (though, even that sometimes doesn't work as ISK can be pretty easy to come by if you are willing to invest the time).


The same paradigm applies to ships as well... but with some catches.

Tech 2 ships are more specializations rather than straight upgrades of Tech 1 ships.

HACs are not equivalent to battlecruisers. Assault Frigates are not equivalent to Destroyers or Cruisers. They have different strengths, excel in different ways, and have different weaknesses.
What you are paying for with the higher cost of HACs (and other Tech 2 ships) is the "specialty" part.

however if people are still buying the ship then they do not cost to much if the sale of these ships was pitiful i would agree but they move with a frequency seen in other T2 cruisers. While the floor is set by the cost of its materials its celing is not

Check his post history. Short answer: yes.

Trade hubs are an entirely player created edifice which CCP has largely kept their fingers out of beyond the purely pragmatic.

Also market hubs actually concentrate players more which increases the odds of people running into each other more than a dispersed setup would because a centralized setup puts a lot of people in the same place, as well as putting them traveling to and from said place.

Places like Uedama and Rancer wouldn't exist as the infamous deathtraps they are today without these market hubs (which again, are entirely player created).