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Any Alpha Clone managed to do level 4 missions yet?
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Shallanna Yassavi
qwertz corp
#21 - 2016-12-06 00:44:59 UTC
Back when I was really new, I did My Sweet Privateer a couple of times in a blaster-fit Maller which could only put out about 100 DPS (no magstabs or rigs). I'd read a little about how guns worked, so I got to try that out.
It could barely break the boss. It actually worked better than a laser Maller for that mission, because the guns were a little easier on the cap and hit the rats' resist holes.

Once I'd burned the boss down to get the stasis tower + 4 battleships spawn, I had to warp out and refit something to hit the tower.

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Pix Severus
Empty You
#22 - 2016-12-06 00:53:02 UTC
The Level 4 Missions called Recon and Cargo Delivery can be done in a shuttle, so if you're an alpha and have a Level 4 Agent nearby, it might be worth checking their missions every now and then.

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#23 - 2016-12-06 00:55:04 UTC
I've spent most of my time in game looking at level 3 blitzing with a gnosis. I believe lv4s are just going to have too many raw HP to chew through to be worth it.

for level 3s you probably wont even need bling on a cruiser, just abuse speed/range and avoid most of the damage. I did a bunch of lv3s in a caracal years ago when I was probably a few months old to see if I could, it was pretty easy. the problem is applying damage to complete the missions in a timely manor.

and sure you can fleet up to do them, but not sure if it will be worthwhile or not. mission blitzing pays out alright to one pilot, throwing more people at the problem doesn't really speed it up and will divide payments to a few people. Although with everyone having alpha restrictions perhaps it will pay better than other options.

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#24 - 2016-12-06 04:45:01 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
I've spent most of my time in game looking at level 3 blitzing with a gnosis. I believe lv4s are just going to have too many raw HP to chew through to be worth it.

for level 3s you probably wont even need bling on a cruiser, just abuse speed/range and avoid most of the damage. I did a bunch of lv3s in a caracal years ago when I was probably a few months old to see if I could, it was pretty easy. the problem is applying damage to complete the missions in a timely manor.

and sure you can fleet up to do them, but not sure if it will be worthwhile or not. mission blitzing pays out alright to one pilot, throwing more people at the problem doesn't really speed it up and will divide payments to a few people. Although with everyone having alpha restrictions perhaps it will pay better than other options.

Alpha's should be able to turn a minimum of 10 mil an hour in the gang Baltec described, probably more like 20/hour. And that's assuming a 5 man gang isn't capable of running Burners, if they can handle burners that goes up even more.
Sure it's not super bling blitzing lvl 3 levels, but you will struggle to do that anyway with the ships & skills alpha's can use anyway.
And other than grinding for Plex, that's going to be pretty good isk for anything they can afford, since they are only buying Frigs & Cruisers anyway, and T1 at that.
Cpt Lift-Leg Ahab
Vindicta Optime
Shadow Ultimatum
#25 - 2016-12-06 06:26:24 UTC
Jotunspor wrote:
Without a Battleship, not possible. Level 3s aren't even possible unless you've got a Battlecruiser. Unless of course by some miracle you're able to pull it off in a Cruiser. Not possible, though... I don't see it happening. I can't see it happening.

I was doing lvl 3's in an arbitrator as an alpha. before I resubbed. I didn't have a problem
Ravas Geloris
Doomheim
#26 - 2016-12-06 07:41:09 UTC
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Dreadchain
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2016-12-06 09:48:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Dreadchain
Jotunspor wrote:
Without a Battleship, not possible. Level 3s aren't even possible unless you've got a Battlecruiser. Unless of course by some miracle you're able to pull it off in a Cruiser. Not possible, though... I don't see it happening. I can't see it happening.


Actually, half a decade ago I experimented with weird mission running setups; T1 frigates, when fit and piloted appropriately can do a lot of L4s. There are some that are just impossible due to DPS constraints or due to certain elements in missions (looking at you Stasis towers), but it wasn't even terribly challenging in most missions.

Of course, it's far from optimal as the DPS is very low. Then again, I don't really know why people run missions in the first place, there are easier ways to make more money.

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Estuary Algaert
Petulant Luddite GmbH
#28 - 2016-12-06 14:55:45 UTC
I have been running L4's with friends on Alphas since last week, they are nowhere near as dull as they are solo.
Casandra Laur
Bleu Femme Felis
#29 - 2016-12-06 15:34:37 UTC
I plan on trying L4s, but I'm not there yet. I'm still working thru L2s in a Thorax, raising my standings.

I currently can do 410dps in my Gnosis. Turrets 326 and drones 84. To max out my gunnery skills will take about 40 more days, and I haven't even added in the drone skill yet. Maybe another 20 days for them.

I think soon, my standings will be get high enough for L3s. So I'll have to wait to see how I do in those before even trying a L4.

I'm having fun and not in any real rush. (haha, can't be, at the rate of my training.)

-Cassy
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#30 - 2016-12-06 15:39:13 UTC
You want alphas to learn?

Are you an Omega? Can you fly a RR tengu or a legion perhaps? Do you know your way solidly around L4s? Want small gang FC experience in high sec content while you all make isk?

Run L4s!!

RR tengu, shield tank ships, anchor on RR tengu and run content. Call targets, use tags. blap away. Rinse repeat. Tanking and talking on comms to your alphas about triggers, threats, speed tanking and other mechanics. Spread the knowledge and the love. Its not great isk for anyone but its not a waste of time sitting around while they learn the basics.

Then graduate them after a week or so of high sec L4s into low sec pew pew when they have the basics and some cash.

Welcome to Eve online. Go forth and pew!!Twisted

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Eilyen Hope
Hope Enterprises
#31 - 2016-12-06 17:48:49 UTC
Many of the L4 missions are certainly possible with an Alpha clone, but slow. Probably better to go with L3 missions if solo.

Personally I had no trouble burning through L3s in a super cheap Vexor fit when I was lured back to eve with the alpha clones...
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#32 - 2016-12-06 18:15:18 UTC
Pix Severus wrote:
The Level 4 Missions called Recon and Cargo Delivery can be done in a shuttle, so if you're an alpha and have a Level 4 Agent nearby, it might be worth checking their missions every now and then.

They have changed the Cargo Delivery L4, it now spawns several cruisers and BSs on warp in. Shuttles will die in a fire.Blink

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Pix Severus
Empty You
#33 - 2016-12-06 18:25:29 UTC
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
Pix Severus wrote:
The Level 4 Missions called Recon and Cargo Delivery can be done in a shuttle, so if you're an alpha and have a Level 4 Agent nearby, it might be worth checking their missions every now and then.

They have changed the Cargo Delivery L4, it now spawns several cruisers and BSs on warp in. Shuttles will die in a fire.Blink


Damn, glad I haven't gotten that mission recently!

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Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#34 - 2016-12-06 18:31:56 UTC
Almost lost a tanked dram to it the other day.Twisted

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aldhura
Blackjack and Exotic Dancers
Top Tier
#35 - 2016-12-06 19:55:18 UTC
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
You want alphas to learn?

Are you an Omega? Can you fly a RR tengu or a legion perhaps? Do you know your way solidly around L4s? Want small gang FC experience in high sec content while you all make isk?

Run L4s!!

RR tengu, shield tank ships, anchor on RR tengu and run content. Call targets, use tags. blap away. Rinse repeat. Tanking and talking on comms to your alphas about triggers, threats, speed tanking and other mechanics. Spread the knowledge and the love. Its not great isk for anyone but its not a waste of time sitting around while they learn the basics.

Then graduate them after a week or so of high sec L4s into low sec pew pew when they have the basics and some cash.

Welcome to Eve online. Go forth and pew!!Twisted


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aldhura
Blackjack and Exotic Dancers
Top Tier
#36 - 2016-12-06 19:57:01 UTC
Pix Severus wrote:
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
Pix Severus wrote:
The Level 4 Missions called Recon and Cargo Delivery can be done in a shuttle, so if you're an alpha and have a Level 4 Agent nearby, it might be worth checking their missions every now and then.

They have changed the Cargo Delivery L4, it now spawns several cruisers and BSs on warp in. Shuttles will die in a fire.Blink


Damn, glad I haven't gotten that mission recently!


I run these in a SFI with 500mn mwd and a large ancil sb, does round 7k/s, pretty sure I won't notice the change :)
Rangh Ovaert
#37 - 2016-12-07 06:23:18 UTC
Yesterday I managed to solo a 6000+LP Sisters of Eve lvl4 Security mission in my maxed out (lol) alpha clone sitting in a Gnosis.
Last (3rd) room was tricky. Had to warp out 5-6 times....but I also have to admit it was my first lvl 4 mission solo and I think the 3rd I did ever, which means there is still room for improvement.
It for sure wasn't very efficient but I had some fun.
Brexan Daedalus
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#38 - 2016-12-07 19:38:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Brexan Daedalus
Jotunspor wrote:
Without a Battleship, not possible. Level 3s aren't even possible unless you've got a Battlecruiser. Unless of course by some miracle you're able to pull it off in a Cruiser. Not possible, though... I don't see it happening. I can't see it happening.


On topic with the success stories debunking this, I've been running level 3's comfortably in a PvE-fit Caracal myself for weeks now. DPS eats through anything that's been thrown at me and not horribly tough to tank incoming damage either. I will admit that I'm feeling the ISK flow is a bit slow, but hey, if you're not paying for a subscription, it can take you two months to grind that PLEX instead. Blink Also, it's actually a lot of fun being forced out of the Raven for mission running personally. I fed my gameplay for a long time off of level 4 mission profits, but it get's into a tedious grind if you do it long enough.

Just to note my character is mostly fully trained on Alpha-trainable skills, so fresh alphas are a different story altogether of course. Not encouraging fresh cruiser pilots to go loose their most expensive ships.

As for level 4's, Alphas just don't have the DPS on hand to burn through the heavy HP on the Battleship spawns for the most part. Soloing most level 4 missions that require actual combat might leave in the good old eternal stalemate where you're not eating through their tank at all and neither are they yours, best case scenario. But it will most likely to cost you your ship though. Specially on the missions where the frigates scram and web you.
Leloo Multipass
The Illuminati Tree House Club
Fortis Et Certus
#39 - 2016-12-09 14:03:48 UTC
I tried one random lvl 3 security mission in a Vexor with a non imaginative armor tank + drones build, no T2s, Alpha status with like 600k SP. It felt slow-ish but i had no problems with *that particular mission*.
Mind, it's a new character but I've played a little Eve before so I had some idea on what to train first.
Casandra Laur
Bleu Femme Felis
#40 - 2016-12-09 15:27:36 UTC
I probably could have run L1 and L2 missions 24/7 to get to L3s quickly, but I did a few here and there over the last 20 days.
I finally got an agent to give me a L3 mission yesterday.

I don't know how many L3 missions it will take to get standings up for L4s, but I will grind them until I do.

So L4s solo? Not yet.

-Cassy