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Kills not being awarded?
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Erin Oswell
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2016-12-04 16:28:46 UTC
Hey guys,

I've noticed a few times lately when I've assisted with kills I occasionally don't get on the KM at all, even if I apply damage to the target. I've missed out on some decent kills because of this happening, has anyone else been experiencing this lately?

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Keno Skir
#2 - 2016-12-04 16:29:46 UTC
Only "Final Blow" gets an in game killmail.

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Erin Oswell
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2016-12-04 16:36:19 UTC
Nah I mean on the involved pilots list.

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Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2016-12-04 16:41:19 UTC
Are you sure you applied any damage at all? If you fire a missile and it doesn't reach the target, you will not be on the mail. Check the logs to see if your attacks actually reach the target.
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2016-12-04 16:42:32 UTC
inb4 rail fitted, all missed for tracking X
Erin Oswell
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2016-12-04 16:45:19 UTC
I applied damage to at least one target and did not get on the mail, although the target melted quickly damage still registered on the logs.

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#7 - 2016-12-04 17:30:59 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Did you (or the target ship) do any of the following between you shooting and the target exploding?

- jump into another system
- dock and undock
- the kill happened too quickly

The other possibility (though unlikely) is that there was too long a duration between you shooting at the target and the target blowing up.

Another (unlikely possibility) is that the kill happened around 00:00 EVE time (in-game time is handled differently from your own local time)... during which some "strange things" can happen with the API system.


And then there are the usual possible culprits:

- computer voodoo / karma
- the server (either the game's or your ISP) is "less than happy" with you
- you did not offer the computer and gaming gods an appropriate sacrifice that morning
- you dealt too little damage and/or contributed so little to the kill that the game literally went "lol" and dropped you off the killmail
- some combination of the above


On all seriousness... this happens. Don't worry about it.
After all.. a killmail is strictly a way to show off your epeen.

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Erin Oswell
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2016-12-04 17:49:21 UTC
It def wasn't anything on the first list, or the TZ thing so it could've been a combination of any of the other things you mentioned. I know the KB is no big deal though like you said, but it does give corp bragging rights and can be a bit irritating especially when you get juicy pods.

I was more curious to see if this had happened to anyone else, thanks for providing some possible causes though

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Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#9 - 2016-12-05 01:30:27 UTC
Neuntausend wrote:
Are you sure you applied any damage at all? If you fire a missile and it doesn't reach the target, you will not be on the mail. Check the logs to see if your attacks actually reach the target.

This is entirely incorrect. Any gun or offensive weapon activation on a target before it is destroyed registers you as being a party to the killing irregardless of any damage being done.



@OP Id go back into your logs, found in your documents folder under Eve, and check if you did engage the target. If you can find the log entry then petition it and let CCP look into it. As this would be a very serious issue. If for some reason you cannnot find it in your logs then you simply missed the target entirely and better luck next time.

Sometimes people dont post killmails. But I assume that you have seen the killmail itself and it shows nothing about your involvement on zkill or something instead.

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Erin Oswell
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2016-12-05 19:30:36 UTC
What file would this particular log be called? But yeah, I know even if you just scram a target and nothing else you will still be registered.

This one kill in particular was with a corpmate who managed an alpha gank, I got a couple hundred HP in drone damage in just before he melted according to my combat log, though I wasn't on the mail. I'll perhaps put it down to a one-time mystery glitch but if it happens again I'll surely gather evidence and report it as a bug. I'll keep my eyes peeled on those KM's and logs!

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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#11 - 2016-12-05 19:39:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Iria Ahrens
Make sure your safety is off. My alpha wasn't on a few killmails even though I was pushing the fire buttons, etc. The answer was a bit embarrassing.

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SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#12 - 2016-12-05 19:44:53 UTC
Erin Oswell wrote:
What file would this particular log be called? But yeah, I know even if you just scram a target and nothing else you will still be registered.

This one kill in particular was with a corpmate who managed an alpha gank, I got a couple hundred HP in drone damage in just before he melted according to my combat log, though I wasn't on the mail. I'll perhaps put it down to a one-time mystery glitch but if it happens again I'll surely gather evidence and report it as a bug. I'll keep my eyes peeled on those KM's and logs!



Believe the default location on a windows box is My Documents\Eve\Logs\Gamelogs

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Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#13 - 2016-12-05 19:48:13 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Erin Oswell wrote:
What file would this particular log be called? But yeah, I know even if you just scram a target and nothing else you will still be registered.

This one kill in particular was with a corpmate who managed an alpha gank, I got a couple hundred HP in drone damage in just before he melted according to my combat log, though I wasn't on the mail. I'll perhaps put it down to a one-time mystery glitch but if it happens again I'll surely gather evidence and report it as a bug. I'll keep my eyes peeled on those KM's and logs!



Believe the default location on a windows box is My Documents\Eve\Logs\Gamelogs

That is the log file. Had to double check. You have a lot of these handy lil log files that you can check. I would still submit it to CCP if I were you OP as if your logs show damage this is something that CCP needs to be aware of even if the killmail doesnt matter to you.

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You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#14 - 2016-12-05 19:52:31 UTC
Kill Mails are pretty much the lowest priority on the server. This means they don't always generate properly if the server was even slightly laggy. Even assuming everything else was correct.
It changes nothing in game, your fleet should still know you helped, and if they whinge because your KB isn't green enough, get a better corp.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#15 - 2016-12-05 20:08:40 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Kill Mails are pretty much the lowest priority on the server. This means they don't always generate properly if the server was even slightly laggy. Even assuming everything else was correct.
It changes nothing in game, your fleet should still know you helped, and if they whinge because your KB isn't green enough, get a better corp.

Where does this information come from that they have the lowest priority and don't always generate due to laggy server?

What do you even mean by laggy server?
Erin Oswell
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2016-12-05 20:13:00 UTC
Yeah that's the main thing, we all know who's involved in what even if someone else gets the final blow and someone else did the set-up. Mostly we just look at the KB for fun (and some healthy competition) and to get a somewhat more accurate representation of the value of our kills, since the IG value always seems to be off.

zkill does have practical uses too though, for one it helps us keep track of pvp activity and (at least in part) the progress of our newer members. Even if we weren't IG at the time we can quickly pick up on those who are a tad careless and give them pointers on keeping out of harms way, improving fits and skills etc. More so when members aren't forthcoming about areas they need help in. I digress.

I do totally agree though, corps who care more about their KB than the experiences they have along the way have no place in anyone's employment history.

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#17 - 2016-12-05 20:29:17 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:

Where does this information come from that they have the lowest priority and don't always generate due to laggy server?

What do you even mean by laggy server?

CCP have repeatedly said that, which is why big fights often don't generate accurate KM's.
Laggy server means as soon as it starts dropping processes to maintain core functions. So if you are in TiDI it's quite possibly already doing that.