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[Caldari State] Liberation of Nennamaila
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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#41 - 2016-12-02 22:52:39 UTC
Well, I mean, obviously I agree. I'm just occasionally boggled by it, is all.

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#42 - 2016-12-02 22:55:52 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Frankly, Kim, at first that was entertaining. Then it was irritating. Then it was routine, but fun in a sort of 'well, here's the counter-evidence on Kim' sort of way. Now it's just frankly boring.

Are you so obsessive, so uncreative, so vapid, so without original thought that all you can do is parrot the same widely-derided line for years?




Obsessive? That said woman like you, Priano, that appears in a topic just to insult and troll others?
Uncreative? Well, maybe you are right. I don't create lies about you, I just list facts. You may enjoy your "creations" that you bark about us, but frankly, they are too pathetic and fall apart under a glance.
Vapid? Sounds as one of your own bland creation.
Parrot? That's not parroting, you little annoyance. It is repeating of facts, that you have provided yourself. And it looks like I wasn't reminding tp others enough about what your person is. I shall fix that.

From now on I will be watching you more carefully and will try to reply to most of your lies as it should be. With providing this proof that you was a liar.

And I don't know what "counter-argument" you were bringing. I wasn't arguing with you. I was just bringing facts. Want to argue against them? Well, go ahead. Don't forget to put huge red ball on your nose before you start.

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In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#43 - 2016-12-02 23:03:18 UTC
If you don't mind me asking, Kim, who else has she lied about?
Yarosara Ruil
#44 - 2016-12-02 23:23:39 UTC
I too remember when I was called a sock puppet! It was rude, uncalled for and it hurt my feelings!

Plus, I think that all his "meta intel" is uncalled for and against the spirit of IGS. Point fingers at other people and call them... What was it again? Alts? Yeah. That is super rude and a bit weaksauce as far as personal attacks go.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#45 - 2016-12-02 23:31:21 UTC
Ms. Ruil, you've since proven yourself an independent woman. Despite our differences, I can respect that.

But you must admit-- your first call for a crusade against pirates, as a new arrival to the forum, was perhaps a bit worthy of head-scratching and bemusement.

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Yarosara Ruil
#46 - 2016-12-03 01:58:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Yarosara Ruil
Makoto Priano wrote:
But you must admit-- your first call for a crusade against pirates, as a new arrival to the forum, was perhaps a bit worthy of head-scratching and bemusement.


Perhaps you are right!

Or it could have been a public relations stunt deliberately created to fabricare an image for myself as a caldari nationalist zealot and raise awareness towards the Guristas-Blood Raider lobby that monopolized the public comminication channels back in the day, by making them look sympathetic to the public with the planned personal assaults performed against them?

Plus, I never hid the fact that I used to be a cutesy red-headwed Intaki pirate scientist, and a sebiestor before that!
Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2016-12-03 08:13:44 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
If you don't mind me asking, Kim, who else has she lied about?

She lies about me. I stand on Kim's defense against Priano because I see that Kim is right and Priano is wrong, and she says I am "hers dedicated support". I stand on Kim's side both because she is loyal to Caldari State and shows support to Amarr Empire, more than even some Amarr pilots. I also choose Kim's side because in her arguments with Priano the facts are on Kim's side. But it doesn't mean I stand on Kim's side in other questions. She is often wrong, but not in the case with Priano. Inquisitive pilots can find me not just disagreeing, but even shaming Kim. This isn't hard to do.

Here I would like to shame Makoto Priano instead.

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Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2016-12-03 08:32:10 UTC
This is getting very annoying.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#49 - 2016-12-03 11:21:38 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
If you don't mind me asking, Kim, who else has she lied about?

That I don't follow, Ms. Vess. I have enough proof to call her a liar lawfully and really don't need more. Even if she keeps providing me with them.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#50 - 2016-12-03 13:29:04 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
If you don't mind me asking, Kim, who else has she lied about?

That I don't follow, Ms. Vess. I have enough proof to call her a liar lawfully and really don't need more. Even if she keeps providing me with them.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to dispute anything. I'm only trying to form my own opinion. The way you have painted her it would be easily said she is a perpetual liar in your eyes right? Usually perpetual liars lie about more than a singular target. Luna has said herself she's been lied about, do you know of anyone else?
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#51 - 2016-12-03 17:11:06 UTC
Ms. Vess; what's interesting is what Ms. Kim considers lies. For instance, one of the great offenses was joking to Steffanie Saissore, I believe it was, that Kim showed up to assist the Provists at Haatomo station in a logistics ship or in a Dominix. The other great lie-- occasionally considered an insult to the uniform instead --is questioning her mental state.

While this might be ground for minor offense, Kim has quite naturally made this a bit of a pogrom. I stopped tracking ages ago, but I think her cut/paste routine has passed sixty or so instances in the last two years.

In Ms. Hanaya's case, I think she's claiming I lie about her because I say she is Kim's dedicated support, nevermind that Galnet sources confirm Hanaya being downed multiple times in link-laden Loki in the Black Rise theater, giving rise to the question of who she's providing command support to.

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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#52 - 2016-12-03 18:02:33 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Ms. Vess; what's interesting is what Ms. Kim considers lies. For instance, one of the great offenses was joking to Steffanie Saissore, I believe it was, that Kim showed up to assist the Provists at Haatomo station in a logistics ship or in a Dominix. The other great lie-- occasionally considered an insult to the uniform instead --is questioning her mental state.

While this might be ground for minor offense, Kim has quite naturally made this a bit of a pogrom. I stopped tracking ages ago, but I think her cut/paste routine has passed sixty or so instances in the last two years.

In Ms. Hanaya's case, I think she's claiming I lie about her because I say she is Kim's dedicated support, nevermind that Galnet sources confirm Hanaya being downed multiple times in link-laden Loki in the Black Rise theater, giving rise to the question of who she's providing command support to.

I agree alot of the lies are questionable, I'm just curious to see what she perceived as lies about other people (and in turn, more examples of what constitutes a lie to her) to sort of get a grasp of what her mindset is on a lie vs an opinion. Maybe it's a pointless thing but, what can I say I'm a little intrigued. On Luna, I'm led to believe what you said since evidence truely does point that way.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#53 - 2016-12-05 00:39:31 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
If you don't mind me asking, Kim, who else has she lied about?

That I don't follow, Ms. Vess. I have enough proof to call her a liar lawfully and really don't need more. Even if she keeps providing me with them.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to dispute anything. I'm only trying to form my own opinion. The way you have painted her it would be easily said she is a perpetual liar in your eyes right? Usually perpetual liars lie about more than a singular target. Luna has said herself she's been lied about, do you know of anyone else?

Ms. Vess, I don't claim that every word that Priano says is a lie.
Just one lie that she says makes her a liar. Especially if it was such a deliberate and intentional, offensive and hostile lie as she has shown.
And this just means that any other her word must not be trusted. It doesn't mean she is absolutely wrong in anything. It just means that she could have said any lie anywhere among the truth and mask it as truth.

Would I want to waste my time on finding and pointing it out?... No.
Becuase I have already shown she's a liar.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#54 - 2016-12-05 01:02:02 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
If you don't mind me asking, Kim, who else has she lied about?

That I don't follow, Ms. Vess. I have enough proof to call her a liar lawfully and really don't need more. Even if she keeps providing me with them.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to dispute anything. I'm only trying to form my own opinion. The way you have painted her it would be easily said she is a perpetual liar in your eyes right? Usually perpetual liars lie about more than a singular target. Luna has said herself she's been lied about, do you know of anyone else?

Ms. Vess, I don't claim that every word that Priano says is a lie.
Just one lie that she says makes her a liar. Especially if it was such a deliberate and intentional, offensive and hostile lie as she has shown.
And this just means that any other her word must not be trusted. It doesn't mean she is absolutely wrong in anything. It just means that she could have said any lie anywhere among the truth and mask it as truth.

Would I want to waste my time on finding and pointing it out?... No.
Becuase I have already shown she's a liar.

Well, personally I would think saying one lie doesn't necessarily make you forever a liar. If that's what you believe well, as much as I disagree I won't say your not entitled to your opinion nor is it invalid. I guess the only follow up question would be, when does that tagline get removed, if ever? Your talking about an event from what? A year or two ago maybe? Feel free to choose not to answer that, I'm honestly not trying to press you with a hundred questions on this, though I will admit I am curious...
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#55 - 2016-12-05 02:58:01 UTC
Kim's desire to use her designation of me as a liar is likely to remain strong so long as I challenge her beliefs on citizenship, duty, and loyalty. We've already witnessed an instance where a preponderance of reference material is dismissed out of hand because it challenges her biases.

That said, I am perfectly willing to be corrected on this, and am likewise curious when Kim might consider herself proven wrong on my status as a trustworthy or untrustworthy citizen of the State.

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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#56 - 2016-12-05 03:13:50 UTC
Well, I'm just trying to treat this as neutral, think you know which side I prescribe to on it. I'm just interested in seeing what draws the conclusion of being a liar (having been called one myself in the past)
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#57 - 2016-12-07 20:51:06 UTC
As Ms. Kim is active on the forum again, I thought I'd bring this to the fore. Ms. Vess's inquiry still hasn't been addressed, and I'm quite sure there are a few people interested in seeing how Kim resolves it.

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#58 - 2016-12-07 20:58:51 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:

Well, personally I would think saying one lie doesn't necessarily make you forever a liar. If that's what you believe well, as much as I disagree I won't say your not entitled to your opinion nor is it invalid. I guess the only follow up question would be, when does that tagline get removed, if ever? Your talking about an event from what? A year or two ago maybe? Feel free to choose not to answer that, I'm honestly not trying to press you with a hundred questions on this, though I will admit I am curious...

As her words stay, she stays a liar, it is simply as that. Removal of the tag could be achieved by her own desire to take it off, that she never displayed herself. Though I provided her back then with the easy way, she rejected it. If she chooses the conflict, then the conflict she gets.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#59 - 2016-12-07 21:18:47 UTC
Hm. I see. So-- in your view, it's totally in my hands and out of yours, as I need merely make myself an abject, willing slave to your warped view of Caldari society, and cease so much as whispering a thing you can construe as an objection to your ever-changing, fact-blinkered interpretation of history recent and distant.

Kim, there's a reason you're a farce, and a reason why you amount to nothing but a frothing forum troll.

This is part of it.

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#60 - 2016-12-07 21:29:35 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Kim, there's a reason you're a farce, and a reason why you amount to nothing but a frothing forum troll.

This is part of it.

Watch at yourself in mirror before speaking about others, Priano.

And yes, you will get what you deserved.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.