Player Features and Ideas Discussion

True

But I don't retract it, because the sudden application of overwhelming force is just too easy and AFK cloaky camping is part of that attitude.

Well it isn't. With the correct use of the mobile cyno inhib you can effectively create a bubble to stop all but covert op ships from coming in.

There are ways to counter which I am fine with. It is down to the individual/group to come up with ways using the tools which have been provided with to come up with an effective counter, or a counter where, sure we will lose ship but will we take yours with us.

If I had a choice between losing a something like a redeemer or hulk, I would chose a hulk all day long :)

There are so many different ways / ships that can counter a covert ops fleet its untrue. The problem is people seem to have this notion that they should have a right to be able to field huge mining fleet with ships worth billions or rat, run anons in all but near safety without having to take any precautions.

People have become used to it, it is the norm.

Null should be a dangerous place to live, it should require teamwork, it should mean having to think and defend things such as mining fleets.

As I have said, I have lived in null in a small alliance where we had to depend on others for protection against larger forces. We accepted there were thing we could not do, we didn't demand change, we sough out ways to live, earn isk and fight in our way and it worked for a while.

I have also been part of one of the large null blocks and truth be told, I found very boring, so much so it was one the main reason why I quit Eve.

I didn't enjoy being told when to fight, what to fight with, who to fight and I especially didn't enjoy the near perfect safety that I could rat, run anons because I had the vast real time intel system, defence fleets and cyno jammed systems at my disposal.

It was boring.

As I have said previously, something which Baltec1 didn't appear to have a problem with, introduce a mechanic such as some sort of probe which allows the location of a cloaked ship to be narrowed down and then maybe some kind of new bomb with a radius of 100km which will temporary disable a cloak but do nothing else.

This will ensure that the cloaked pilot has to be active. I am sure that a active cloaked pilot will able to evade such tools, but it means he has to be always on the move and thus opens the possibility of a mistake being made.

Here we have a 2 way interaction and people can chose to be either reactive or proactive.

There have been some great ideas which results in players interacting with each other, allows players to be proactive.

However this would have to be done in conjunction to changes being made to local. It is just too damn powerful of an intel tool.

I suggested that the OA local is best and in that case those players have to fit a module to impact local reporting, how does that work for you?

He wants local to be provided via a structure, it would still be instant intel like we have today.

Okay, I mean it is something I have suggested in the past but I am aware of the downsides, it is far from a perfect idea.

I mean another structure to bash.. urgh.

Then as you say, if that structure basically replicated local as it is now then there is not much point.

There has to be a better alternative then adding another structure.

The more I think about using a structure the more I think it isn't a great idea, the main reason being it is most likely only going to effect that system which in the grand scheme of things is pretty useless.

I like the idea having no local in NPC Null. I like the idea of Sov holding space having local but it be delayed by default by x minutes.

I am not sure what method you would put in place in order to decrease that delay, I feel that would be important, just don't like the idea of tying it to a structure thou.

tricky one.

The whole having a new class of ship that can disrupt local could be interesting to play with. Shouldn't be too hard to implement, be interesting to see what people would do with such a ship.

I suppose the next issue would be D-Scan :)

Don't worry boys I know how to fix this. Lets remove local and see what will happen. I also suggest that if s**t hits the fan and everyone moves into empire we should man the f**k up and keep the local change cause HTFU. Lets go into every thread on this forum and spam this s**t till it happens mkay. Including the cloaking thread.

STFU I'm an anti local fan now, fully support its removal cause why not. Lets remove the thing and see what happens. I'm sure nothing will go wrong.

Nobody wants this at all. This is just errant dishonest nonsense and you spew it because you can't put forward a well thought out and logical argument.

Tell you what go try and catch a carrier ratting and Delve and see what happens. My guess is that carrier will light a cyno and you'll get 5 carriers, a couple of supers and a poop load of sub capitals dropped on your head in short order.

There is a reason that there are so many rats killed in Delve and so much high end mins and ore coming out of Delve. The only way to stop it is to take their space, but good luck doing that without IWI's isk.