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Death By A Million Cuts
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Skyweir Kinnison
Doomheim
#181 - 2016-12-03 09:04:55 UTC
I come from a large extended family and both my parents are alive and robustly well. Aside from the typical inter-sibling rivalries, we all get on famously, and I'm grateful for their support in my endeavours.

Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#182 - 2016-12-03 11:27:50 UTC
Matar Ronin wrote:
kim being specifically wrong is something you are known far and wide for.

Was I wrong somewhere? Anywhere? Where specifically, or is it your another hallucination?

Aria Jenneth wrote:
And, we're back to the nonsense.

Unfortunately, with Matar Ronin it shouldn't be a surprise. Now he claims I am being wrong without even pointing what wrong I've done or said, and this behavior is, unfortunately, rather common to trolls that I have to deal with.

Aria Jenneth wrote:

Emergency New Topic (since this thread will keep going whether anything interesting is being said or not):

Surviving families!

I seem to remember from somewhere that a very high proportion of capsuleers are orphans (I'm one). I've got a couple ideas why that might be (and actually I don't remember where I learned it which means it's probably something my predecessor knew). I'd be interested to get even a really unscientific idea of how many of us were missing both parents, and how many had no surviving family at all, when we entered training.

I have lost just one parent, my other one is still alive.

However I can say that I have lost my whole family: my older (pre-capsuleer) self is officially dead, and that's what my family thinks.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Persephone Alleile
Tartarus Covert Operations
#183 - 2016-12-03 16:10:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Persephone Alleile
My parents are still alive and well and living comfortably planetside.

If you asked my mother if her daughter was still alive though, she would likely tell you that she died 3 years ago.
Matar Ronin
#184 - 2016-12-03 17:35:44 UTC
Too many people do not ever accept/learn how to integrate our "cloned" existence into terms they can accept as living.

As a capsuleer we now know from direct experience that what is called the soul or individual identity of all people is really our "thoughts, values, emotions, morals, and the compilation/application of our lives experiences that are stored in the brain".

The electronic transferring all that essential data to a new body does not make us any less the person than we were in the original or prior packaging.

Of course the implants we might choose to use scares a lot of people into thinking we are submerging or possibly purging too much of who we were prior to enhancement to still be considered human.

In my personal case I'd have to disagree with them I do not think I have crossed the line into more machine then human but I recognize it is a mistake that could be made so I am cautious, in that regard, as I think all capsuleers should be.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Lucien Marbot
#185 - 2016-12-04 07:54:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucien Marbot
Diana Kim wrote:
However I can say that I have lost my whole family: my older (pre-capsuleer) self is officially dead, and that's what my family thinks.
Okay your biological family considers you a zombie golem and not a living human being.... Wait that is just like most people who read your posts conclude. Why am I not at all surprised.

They are correct; everything that could make you recognizable as human is dead: compassion, empathy, integrity, honesty all decomposing in the shrunken boyish body your hatred still manages to ambulate. Strike Commander Zombie Golem.

Death is nothing more then the searing pain of rebirth.
Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#186 - 2016-12-04 13:04:05 UTC
My parents are alive as well, and I help them sending money I earn as a capsule pilot! Thanks to God and our new Empress, may she live long, I am not afraid of being considered soulless being and can enjoy staying at home!

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Matar Ronin
#187 - 2016-12-04 21:25:30 UTC
The story of my origin is easily well known the program did not afford the opportunity for close prolonged contact with anyone in my genetic line. We were raised educated taught indoctrinated and trained to accomplish specific goals set by those who had control of us. The world view they allowed was indeed narrow and we didn't have the luxury of excessive leisure time to contemplate the family life others enjoyed that we would never be allowed to indulge in.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#188 - 2016-12-04 23:15:16 UTC
Lucien Marbot wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
However I can say that I have lost my whole family: my older (pre-capsuleer) self is officially dead, and that's what my family thinks.
Okay your biological family considers you a zombie golem and not a living human being.... Wait that is just like most people who read your posts conclude. Why am I not at all surprised.

Those who will get such a thought obviously lack some mental abilities. My family simply doesn't know about my existence.

Lucien Marbot wrote:
They are correct; everything that could make you recognizable as human is dead: compassion, empathy, integrity, honesty all decomposing in the shrunken boyish body your hatred still manages to ambulate. Strike Commander Zombie Golem.

If you really think that I lack at least one of: compassion, empathy, integrity or honesty, then you are the most deluded person on the forum.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#189 - 2016-12-04 23:22:07 UTC
They don't know of your existence? Is that on purpose or? Either way, wow that's rough.
Ibrahim Tash-Murkon
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#190 - 2016-12-04 23:29:35 UTC
The observation that a great number of Capsuleers come from broken homes or have lost family in tragic and unusual circumstances is one of which I too have taken note.

There appears to be a strong correlation between having an extravagantly out of place past and testing positively for Capsuleer capability.

"I give you the destiny of Faith, and you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - Book of Reclaiming 22:13
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#191 - 2016-12-05 06:46:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Ibrahim Tash-Murkon wrote:
There appears to be a strong correlation between having an extravagantly out of place past and testing positively for Capsuleer capability.

The thought I had, my lord, is that it might be related to the willingness to actually go through with the training. It's apparently not exactly risk-free.

Both the pilot's willingness to risk losing their life and the family's willingness to risk losing the pilot seem likely to be a little higher when the pilot doesn't have strong ties.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#192 - 2016-12-05 07:52:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Ibrahim Tash-Murkon wrote:
There appears to be a strong correlation between having an extravagantly out of place past and testing positively for Capsuleer capability.

The thought I had, my lord, is that it might be related to the willingness to actually go through with the training. It's apparently not exactly risk-free.

Both the pilot's willingness to risk losing their life and the family's willingness to risk losing the pilot seem likely to be a little higher when the pilot doesn't have strong ties.


If I had a comfortable life I wouldn't have considered being a capsuleer and deal with the sensory deprivation and the broken bones.

Both parents are alive, grandfather senile, grew up in a supportive clan environment. However, life was quite deprived. Nutrient slush and tiny bits of chopped vegetables for years. And I was one of the lucky ones.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Skyweir Kinnison
Doomheim
#193 - 2016-12-05 08:38:14 UTC
There is also money.

Having substantial quantities of it through accident of birth enables one to make choices - including a career as a capsuleer - that offer significant opportunities to increase one's capital.

Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#194 - 2016-12-05 08:53:10 UTC
Skyweir Kinnison wrote:
There is also money.

Having substantial quantities of it through accident of birth enables one to make choices - including a career as a capsuleer - that offer significant opportunities to increase one's capital.


Sometimes someone will accept the offer to be a capsuleer in any of their militaries out of sense of duty, or because they have nothing to lose.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Skyweir Kinnison
Doomheim
#195 - 2016-12-05 10:39:51 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:


Sometimes someone will accept the offer to be a capsuleer in any of their militaries out of sense of duty, or because they have nothing to lose.


Of course. My point is that despite appearances, not every capsuleer is a poor orphan, heroically overcoming terrible odds with a story that would make a stone cry.

Some are patriots, some have nothing to lose, some are trying to escape from themselves, and some are entrepreneurs.

Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.
Akira Mapindazi
#196 - 2016-12-05 11:46:11 UTC
Parents and siblings are all alive and in good health. Our rather large family is very close maternal & paternal grand parents, aunts, uncles, cousins, nephews, nieces, spouses, and in laws all gather at the family estate on a regular basis. The cost of my training to become a capsuleer was paid by the family. It has long been the tradition in my family to pool financial resources for education and stock purchases. The pride my family demonstrated in my ability to qualify for capsuleer training is what motivated me to succeed even when the going was dangerous and difficult. Showing both my family and The State that I was able to meet any challenge they needed me to tackle is a great source of pride for me.

The massive wealth I am now capable of accumulating gets invested back into my family. We have established a sizable amount of voting shares in the eight megacorporations of the Caldari State as well as an additional diversified portfolio of stock holdings in many of the major corporations in both the Federation and the Republic. Being anti-slavery we do not invest in Amarr corporations even though they are an ally of The State.

No sad story and no regrets, a loving supportive family invested in me and I am proud that it was an investment that continues to pay dividends for them.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#197 - 2016-12-05 14:16:39 UTC
Skyweir Kinnison wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:


Sometimes someone will accept the offer to be a capsuleer in any of their militaries out of sense of duty, or because they have nothing to lose.


Of course. My point is that despite appearances, not every capsuleer is a poor orphan, heroically overcoming terrible odds with a story that would make a stone cry.

Some are patriots, some have nothing to lose, some are trying to escape from themselves, and some are entrepreneurs.


My point exactly. There are many reasons to be a capsuleer, and frankly, the incentives are many. Just a major bump in income potential is good enough reason for many people.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#198 - 2016-12-05 18:06:43 UTC
In common with over forty percent of the State's population, I have no idea who my parents were and was raised in a creche environment.

In one way I had a very full family life as a child. In another way, though, I lacked for the personal touch that comes from having parents of my own that were focused on my welfare and happiness alone.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#199 - 2016-12-05 18:31:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Skyweir Kinnison wrote:
Of course. My point is that despite appearances, not every capsuleer is a poor orphan, heroically overcoming terrible odds with a story that would make a stone cry.


Actually I kind of think "orphan" is maybe a little more common than "poor," Mr. Kinnison.

I was orphaned (functionally) at seven, but my mother's clan did eventually recognize me as a member. Achur monk clans, or at least the ones responsible for large temples, tend to have resources. My predecessor converted to Caldari culture and entered the academy to prove herself to a bunch of relatives who didn't expect very much out of her.
Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#200 - 2016-12-05 18:58:17 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
In common with over forty percent of the State's population, I have no idea who my parents were and was raised in a creche environment.

In one way I had a very full family life as a child. In another way, though, I lacked for the personal touch that comes from having parents of my own that were focused on my welfare and happiness alone.

I'd like to think we've made up for such a state of affairs over the course of the last few years.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117