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Dear Code - your THE NEW HALAIMA CODE OF CONDUCT

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Pix Severus
Empty You
#81 - 2016-12-03 01:58:22 UTC
Cassius Haken wrote:
How is having a glorified mafia running amok in high-sec beneficial?


Because it makes highsec a little more interesting.

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Hiroshi Yakasuki
Yakasuki Enterprises
#82 - 2016-12-03 06:36:11 UTC
Chiana Moro wrote:
... And as I was simply moving an empty ship, not hauling, it could arguably be claimed the ship wasn't a hauler in the first place.

...

Best regards,

Chiana



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Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2016-12-03 13:48:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Meilandra Vanderganken
Cassius Haken wrote:


How is having a glorified mafia running amok in high-sec beneficial?

It provides content, stuff happens and players interact while learning stuff about the game. This IS a multiplayer sandbox game so in light of that I'd say those are good things, wouldn't you?

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my problem isn´t the activity of bumping or ganking, ****, even extortion in fine, this is eve for **** sakes. But they should be at least honest about itheir true intention: wanting to mine and harass miners for the sheer fun of it. No, instead what you get is a pseudo-religion based on worshiping a conman.
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On the 'extortion': 10 million isk per year is next to nothing, no agent is getting rich from permits.

As for 'true intention': when I was still active as a EVE player what I loved about high sec ganking was the thrill of the hunt. Finding targets, snooping up on them and taking them out. For me, 'harassment' was not motivation. Nor was 'collecting tears', though sometimes communications between ganker and gankee can be amusing and/or interesting, most of the time they are not.

I love the role playing part. I never did even the slightest form of role playing in EVE before 'joining' the New Order. So, all in all we have a 'glorified maffia' who provides exactly the things one would expect in a multiplayer, sandbox roleplaying game. Sounds benificial to me :) .

Note that these are all my personal motivations and opinions and I do not speak on behalf of every New Order agent. Only James 315, our Supreme Protector, can do that.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#84 - 2016-12-05 12:14:52 UTC
Oh, hey, a CODE thread. What's going on in here?

Cassius Haken wrote:
How is having a glorified mafia running amok in high-sec beneficial?


You're asking the wrong question. The real question you should be asking is, why is the rum gone?

But seriously, the actual real question is, in a game where the players write the story, what would you rail against without a real villain?

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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#85 - 2016-12-05 13:30:09 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Chiana Moro wrote:
legal matter.
Roll

Please type another 300 words about how you're not mad.

Never try to out-legal C&P. You will lose.

It's not because we're better Internet Space Lawyers (although we are damned good), it's because we just don't give a f#ck.

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renwahh
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#86 - 2016-12-05 16:19:40 UTC
OP you lost a indy to a gank and whine about the CODE.

Yet your happy to blow up miners in null?.

Code are just doing what you do but in high sec.


Get over it ffs
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#87 - 2016-12-06 20:20:01 UTC
renwahh wrote:
OP you lost a indy to a gank and whine about the CODE.

Yet your happy to blow up miners in null?.

Code are just doing what you do but in high sec.


Get over it ffs
but but... high security space.

/end sarcasm.

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#88 - 2016-12-06 21:05:34 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Chiana Moro wrote:
legal matter.
Roll

Please type another 300 words about how you're not mad.

Never try to out-legal C&P. You will lose.

It's not because we're better Internet Space Lawyers (although we are damned good), it's because we just don't give a f#ck.

Not that we don't have the best space lawyers and most impartial Judges anywhere in New Eden (seriously one persons bribe is as good as the next)

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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#89 - 2016-12-10 16:25:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Pahrdi
At least this Code. thread was sort of entertaining.

That said, I agree with the OP somewhat. The new Halaima code is going to be four years next year, isn't it? If I remember right, James 315 started his crusade by the end of 2012...

I'd say the code could do with a little face lifting Blink.

Edit: Ok. it was even by the end of 2011 and the code was a thing in 2012. So it's even going to be five years next year. Time is flying...Shocked

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Exaido
Fire Over Light
Astral Alliance
#90 - 2016-12-28 17:13:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Exaido
An anthropologic study in the Uedama area of space on the 'Behavioural Practices of Repetitive Tasks and Measurement of Pilot At Keyboard Presence', has published its controversial findings.

The shocking conclusion of the report is that CODE pilots have begun to exhibit the exact same behaviour of miners that their leadership of James314 issued a rallying cry against. James314 no longer a corporeal presence in New Eden, perhaps fortunate, as the ideological practice of the CODE, has become functionally the same as mining.

Uedama has been classified in the report as a 'Freighter Belt' that is occupied by 'Freighter Miners' who largely operate semi-AFK on gates, waiting for 'Freighters to Spawn', before mining them for their ISK value. There is no real attributed risk in the ISK generation through 'Freighter Mining', as the costs for losses of ships during the process have been factored, using a simple mathematical rule of thumb: 3m ISK per 1K EHP. With the cost of a mining operation as a known constant, the notion of risk has been removed. The risk-free and semi-AFK nature of traditional mining being one of the complaints originally made by the CODE, is now an integral element of their modus operandi.

Freighters, large and slow moving objects, extremely resemblant of asteroids, are scanned and evaluated for their ISK potential, before being mined and then salvaged into a cargo hold. A practice that originates in the mining community.

Ultimately, it appears that CODE have become what they have fought against, miners of another name.
Pix Severus
Empty You
#91 - 2016-12-28 19:08:14 UTC
Exaido wrote:
Ultimately, it appears that CODE have become what they have fought against, miners of another name.


Let us pretend for a moment that what you say is true, who will be the CODE. to CODE., as CODE. are to bot-aspirants? Anti-gankers? All they seem to do is whore on lossmails and post fake news on Reddit about how effective they are. A pity, they could have been so much more.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#92 - 2016-12-28 19:55:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Pix Severus wrote:
Exaido wrote:
Ultimately, it appears that CODE have become what they have fought against, miners of another name.


Let us pretend for a moment that what you say is true, who will be the CODE. to CODE., as CODE. are to bot-aspirants? Anti-gankers? All they seem to do is whore on lossmails and post fake news on Reddit about how effective they are. A pity, they could have been so much more.
You forgot to mention shitposting on the forums, and in the case of one of their members, being consistently wrong about pretty much everything.

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#93 - 2016-12-28 23:23:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Ima Wreckyou
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Pix Severus wrote:
Exaido wrote:
Ultimately, it appears that CODE have become what they have fought against, miners of another name.


Let us pretend for a moment that what you say is true, who will be the CODE. to CODE., as CODE. are to bot-aspirants? Anti-gankers? All they seem to do is whore on lossmails and post fake news on Reddit about how effective they are. A pity, they could have been so much more.
You forgot to mention shitposting on the forums, and in the case of one of their members, being consistently wrong about pretty much everything.

Also, if like they say ganking Freighters is as repetitive as mining and the gankers always act in the same patterns over and over again, I would expect them to at least develop some counter instead of just sitting at gates and whoring on killmails until they get dunked themselves.

Another funny fact is that if you look at today’s AG, they consist of two types of players: The old fallen AG who cries about CCP not helping their cause and makes up some story about how it is all unfair and stacked against AG. The young AG who is looking for fleets to whore on an empty Kusion pod.

The AG who went after the miner gankers are all gone. Probably because it used to be a bit more complicated than just sitting on a gate at zero even to whore on a CONCORD killmail. Yet we still manly dunk miners all the time in all of Highsec.
Exaido
Fire Over Light
Astral Alliance
#94 - 2016-12-29 05:05:34 UTC
Pix Severus wrote:
Exaido wrote:
Ultimately, it appears that CODE have become what they have fought against, miners of another name.


Let us pretend for a moment that what you say is true, who will be the CODE. to CODE., as CODE. are to bot-aspirants? Anti-gankers? All they seem to do is whore on lossmails and post fake news on Reddit about how effective they are. A pity, they could have been so much more.


The CODE for the CODE should be CODE. Perhaps an indent or some such, maybe DECODE. To ensure that the will of James315 is interpreted and modernized to stay relevant to the ages and for generations of capsuleers to come to keep the vastness of space bot-aspirant free of Freighter Miners.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#95 - 2016-12-29 08:42:36 UTC
I love these threads.
The popcorn is always extra salty.

Granted, I nearly choked on said popcorn when someone tried to peddle a permit to Ralph.

This is pretty much summed my train of thought on that one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvG-LAIfuVI

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#96 - 2016-12-29 10:22:52 UTC
Exaido wrote:
An anthropologic study in the Uedama area of space on the 'Behavioural Practices of Repetitive Tasks and Measurement of Pilot At Keyboard Presence', has published its controversial findings.

The shocking conclusion of the report is that CODE pilots have begun to exhibit the exact same behaviour of miners that their leadership of James314 issued a rallying cry against. James314 no longer a corporeal presence in New Eden, perhaps fortunate, as the ideological practice of the CODE, has become functionally the same as mining.

Uedama has been classified in the report as a 'Freighter Belt' that is occupied by 'Freighter Miners' who largely operate semi-AFK on gates, waiting for 'Freighters to Spawn', before mining them for their ISK value. There is no real attributed risk in the ISK generation through 'Freighter Mining', as the costs for losses of ships during the process have been factored, using a simple mathematical rule of thumb: 3m ISK per 1K EHP. With the cost of a mining operation as a known constant, the notion of risk has been removed. The risk-free and semi-AFK nature of traditional mining being one of the complaints originally made by the CODE, is now an integral element of their modus operandi.

Freighters, large and slow moving objects, extremely resemblant of asteroids, are scanned and evaluated for their ISK potential, before being mined and then salvaged into a cargo hold. A practice that originates in the mining community.

Ultimately, it appears that CODE have become what they have fought against, miners of another name.


I think you pretty much nailed it, freighter mining indeed, that is what I will be calling it from now on because that is what it is.

As for the OP I understood your point, I had a similar such discussion with Liek in Osmon local where I pointed out that the CODE was poor law as it could be widely interpreted by their agents on the spot, I could tell that my finely made points won the day because he gave up by ending the conversation with some bounty which of course made me giggle.

It has become evident to a number of us who watch things in hisec that CODE is running out of steam, apart from the bot like freighter mining around Uedama and the ganking of noob miners CODE is a busted flush or irrelevance. When miners come into the AG channel and show a loss they are educated in the way of the Procurer and the Skiff, those subject to freighter mining are educated in the way of DST's, that is all that one needs to do.

A few intrepid souls have decided to mess around in Uedama to impede the bot aspirant activity shown by CODE and their impact can be seen by a reduction in freighter mining.

Soon James315 will be crying over the low impact of CODE as well as the loss of can flipping to consequences, such is the way of Eve. Evil

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Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#97 - 2016-12-29 10:42:43 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Exaido wrote:
An anthropologic study in the Uedama area of space on the 'Behavioural Practices of Repetitive Tasks and Measurement of Pilot At Keyboard Presence', has published its controversial findings.

The shocking conclusion of the report is that CODE pilots have begun to exhibit the exact same behaviour of miners that their leadership of James314 issued a rallying cry against. James314 no longer a corporeal presence in New Eden, perhaps fortunate, as the ideological practice of the CODE, has become functionally the same as mining.

Uedama has been classified in the report as a 'Freighter Belt' that is occupied by 'Freighter Miners' who largely operate semi-AFK on gates, waiting for 'Freighters to Spawn', before mining them for their ISK value. There is no real attributed risk in the ISK generation through 'Freighter Mining', as the costs for losses of ships during the process have been factored, using a simple mathematical rule of thumb: 3m ISK per 1K EHP. With the cost of a mining operation as a known constant, the notion of risk has been removed. The risk-free and semi-AFK nature of traditional mining being one of the complaints originally made by the CODE, is now an integral element of their modus operandi.

Freighters, large and slow moving objects, extremely resemblant of asteroids, are scanned and evaluated for their ISK potential, before being mined and then salvaged into a cargo hold. A practice that originates in the mining community.

Ultimately, it appears that CODE have become what they have fought against, miners of another name.


I think you pretty much nailed it, freighter mining indeed, that is what I will be calling it from now on because that is what it is.

As for the OP I understood your point, I had a similar such discussion with Liek in Osmon local where I pointed out that the CODE was poor law as it could be widely interpreted by their agents on the spot, I could tell that my finely made points won the day because he gave up by ending the conversation with some bounty which of course made me giggle.

It has become evident to a number of us who watch things in hisec that CODE is running out of steam, apart from the bot like freighter mining around Uedama and the ganking of noob miners CODE is a busted flush or irrelevance. When miners come into the AG channel and show a loss they are educated in the way of the Procurer and the Skiff, those subject to freighter mining are educated in the way of DST's, that is all that one needs to do.

A few intrepid souls have decided to mess around in Uedama to impede the bot aspirant activity shown by CODE and their impact can be seen by a reduction in freighter mining.

Soon James315 will be crying over the low impact of CODE as well as the loss of can flipping to consequences, such is the way of Eve. Evil

What you don't seem to realize..
You people are exactly where the Code wants you to be.

Because the only way to beat CODE. and make them irrelevant is to follow the Code XD
And seeing all the posts on social medias about the Code or CODE. lately, they're definitely still very important in people's lives Blink

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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#98 - 2016-12-29 13:25:47 UTC
Exaido wrote:
The shocking conclusion of the report is that CODE pilots have begun to exhibit the exact same behaviour of miners that their leadership of James314 issued a rallying cry against.

I did get a real serious chuckle when some gankers resorted to flagrant, pre-ISBox-ban, multi-boxing to secure freighter kills. And in instances like those, I think your observations are pretty accurate.

As for the rest...nah. While ganking can, indeed, devolve into a single, repetitive activity, that activity generally requires the participants to be awake and at keyboard (examples like the one I listed above nonwithstanding). This is what separates bot-aspirants from repetitive players.

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Marcus Binchiette
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#99 - 2016-12-29 18:36:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Marcus Binchiette
Lan Wang wrote:
better watch out, code will wardec you and send you a strongly worded mail to your ceo requesting you be removed from any alliance then never wardec you or reply, these guys are scary business


Nah. They are a bunch of cowards and extortionists. They only have authority if you give it to them.
Jaxi Wreckful
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#100 - 2017-01-07 00:00:05 UTC
Calm down miner.