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Lunavera Poxicon
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#61 - 2016-12-03 00:40:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Lunavera Poxicon
Keno Skir wrote:
Lunavera Poxicon wrote:
You have a really great game, but the way I see it, for me, I already spent 4-5 months as a subscriber here years ago and eventually it wasn't worth the monthly cost. Putting limitations on the game as heavy as you did ensures players like me won't be here long.


With respect, if you don't plan to subscribe at any point who cares if you stay around? You're providing nothing yet loudly complaining your great contribution to the game isn't being rewarded enough..


I made one post based off opinion, how is that loudly complaining? lol

There are literally millions of players like me that are unwilling to pay monthly subscriptions to games. We are however, willing to pay for the game upfront and gain access to it in its entirety. $60 will buy you a AAA title from top developers. That will get you 4 months of game time here. I don't feel this game is worth more than $60 and I have already spent that.

I would love to continue playing without restriction and be given some really interesting, creative, meaningful and amazing vanity items however. Again, millions of others feel the same way. That's why F2P games with vanity items for sale are racking larger player bases each year. Subs are on the decline. That model is old and not working out so well the past few years.

EVE stands to benefit from having a massive player base with enticing items for micro purchases over having a low population of all subs.
Shallanna Yassavi
qwertz corp
#62 - 2016-12-03 00:54:17 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Shallanna Yassavi wrote:
Content. An MMO without players in it isn't much of an MMO, especially not one founded on player interaction like this one.

As for F2P, there are some games where they won't sell you power, instead selling shiny things exclusively. The ones which will charge an arm and a leg in real money for power have serious player retention issues, made a lot more serious by the fact that they won't sell a good gameplay experience for a reasonable price. Players' experiences with that kind of make skill injectors a long-term no-no: this game tries to sell you power, and the rest of the market has done a good job conditioning content to STAY AWAY FROM THAT because it's not fun if you can't buy the power.


I lost a curse to two T1 cruisers a few days ago that alpha's are more than capable of flying.

Don't tell me alphas can't find power. It's bull.

We know better. A newbie, by definition, doesn't. Newbies only know the game tried to sell them power, and that's usually a red flag.

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Matthias Ancaladron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#63 - 2016-12-03 01:06:50 UTC
Lunavera Poxicon wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
" F2P Restrictions are too great"

* 6 Frigates + 2 Navy Frigates
* 2 Destroyers
* 4 Cruisers + 2 Navy Cruisers
* 1 Mining Frigate
* 2 Industrial if Caldari

Bonus:
* 1 Battlecruiser (Gnosis)

Other
* 4 Corvette
* 4 Shuttle
* Miscellaneous others (e.g. Primae)


Which is roughly 1/3 of the ships available. They are restricting 2/3 of the ships in the game. So, yes, in my opinion too great.


I agree with your sentiment but youre wrong for the right reasons.
Theres 300+ ships in the game. Alphas get about 20.

That aside id rather save up and pay 50$ once and never again if i ever saved that much from my bills and living pay check to pay check on cheap 7/11 food
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#64 - 2016-12-03 01:15:29 UTC
Matthias Ancaladron wrote:


I agree with your sentiment but youre wrong for the right reasons.
Theres 300+ ships in the game. Alphas get about 20.

That aside id rather save up and pay 50$ once and never again if i ever saved that much from my bills and living pay check to pay check on cheap 7/11 food

That's about 20 race ships 'Per race' plus about 10-20 any race ships.
So Alpha's across all the races actually get about 100 ships.

Also once off payments might sound great in theory, but CCP would need to keep payments coming in somehow to keep the servers online. So gold ammo would become the way to keep the servers alive very quickly.

Just spend a few months, buy a plex, subscribe. Get some more skills, earn a bit faster for that month, rinse & repeat till you have enough skills to buy a plex every month. And then you are away as an Omega for as long as people buy plex. (Note, the total number of plex in EVE is rising, not falling)
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#65 - 2016-12-03 01:21:28 UTC
Lunavera Poxicon wrote:
Just throwing out my opinion here.






/me throws that opinion right back

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Lunavera Poxicon
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#66 - 2016-12-03 01:36:41 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Matthias Ancaladron wrote:


I agree with your sentiment but youre wrong for the right reasons.
Theres 300+ ships in the game. Alphas get about 20.

That aside id rather save up and pay 50$ once and never again if i ever saved that much from my bills and living pay check to pay check on cheap 7/11 food

That's about 20 race ships 'Per race' plus about 10-20 any race ships.
So Alpha's across all the races actually get about 100 ships.

Also once off payments might sound great in theory, but CCP would need to keep payments coming in somehow to keep the servers online. So gold ammo would become the way to keep the servers alive very quickly.

Just spend a few months, buy a plex, subscribe. Get some more skills, earn a bit faster for that month, rinse & repeat till you have enough skills to buy a plex every month. And then you are away as an Omega for as long as people buy plex. (Note, the total number of plex in EVE is rising, not falling)


You are aware there are numerous games available for purchase for a one time fee that are online, running off servers that are still up even after a decade right?
Jotunspor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#67 - 2016-12-03 01:50:46 UTC
Lunavera Poxicon wrote:
Keno Skir wrote:
Lunavera Poxicon wrote:
You have a really great game, but the way I see it, for me, I already spent 4-5 months as a subscriber here years ago and eventually it wasn't worth the monthly cost. Putting limitations on the game as heavy as you did ensures players like me won't be here long.


With respect, if you don't plan to subscribe at any point who cares if you stay around? You're providing nothing yet loudly complaining your great contribution to the game isn't being rewarded enough..


I made one post based off opinion, how is that loudly complaining? lol

There are literally millions of players like me that are unwilling to pay monthly subscriptions to games. We are however, willing to pay for the game upfront and gain access to it in its entirety. $60 will buy you a AAA title from top developers. That will get you 4 months of game time here. I don't feel this game is worth more than $60 and I have already spent that.

I would love to continue playing without restriction and be given some really interesting, creative, meaningful and amazing vanity items however. Again, millions of others feel the same way. That's why F2P games with vanity items for sale are racking larger player bases each year. Subs are on the decline. That model is old and not working out so well the past few years.

EVE stands to benefit from having a massive player base with enticing items for micro purchases over having a low population of all subs.


Pretty much summarizes the situation. I no longer want to pay for this game out of sheer principal. Can I afford it? Absolutely. Do I want to pay to play a video game every month? No. I'm a collector, and I usually go the extra length to get physical copies of games. There's an increased decline in gamers who actually want something tangible, so they'd rather much simply get digital copies of their games. I've paid for countless games over the many years that I've been a gamer. But now that I look back at it, the more and more ridiculous it is. It even SOUNDS bizarre, when you sit and think about it. A monthly fee... For a video game?

And while for some people, it is a huge stretch to play and grind up to a PLEX, it isn't for others. But that's just the thing.. you GRIND for that PLEX. I have an absolutely DISGUSTING Faction fit Nightmare that can burn through Incursions with a solid fleet... We'd be raking in stupid amounts of ISK. But at the end of the day, I want to turn on a game and relax. Not be very wary and cautious about how many video game dollars I've generated to keep me playing for free. It's no longer a game at that point.

I've come back to it time and time again. CCP will see exponentially greater success - or success in general - when they complete this vaporware they call a video game. It's got some great things, but it needs to actually have an expansive codex and all of the essential components to a complete video game in order to have true appeal amongst gamers. Otherwise, it'll continue to be the little, niche laughing-stock of the gaming community. Which is more or less what it always has been. The "fans" that will believe in anything a company does are the anti-culture in a gaming community. And they only serve to fuel the fire. I read some of the stuff here, and it's literally out of the mind of the textbook definition of the delusional.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2016-12-03 01:53:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Shallanna Yassavi wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Shallanna Yassavi wrote:
Content. An MMO without players in it isn't much of an MMO, especially not one founded on player interaction like this one.

As for F2P, there are some games where they won't sell you power, instead selling shiny things exclusively. The ones which will charge an arm and a leg in real money for power have serious player retention issues, made a lot more serious by the fact that they won't sell a good gameplay experience for a reasonable price. Players' experiences with that kind of make skill injectors a long-term no-no: this game tries to sell you power, and the rest of the market has done a good job conditioning content to STAY AWAY FROM THAT because it's not fun if you can't buy the power.


I lost a curse to two T1 cruisers a few days ago that alpha's are more than capable of flying.

Don't tell me alphas can't find power. It's bull.

We know better. A newbie, by definition, doesn't. Newbies only know the game tried to sell them power, and that's usually a red flag.


It doesn't matter what newbies think they know, only what is. The only thing you just made a case for is that newbies have a lot to learn, and that's just stating the blatant obvious.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2016-12-03 01:56:49 UTC
Jotunspor wrote:
...when they complete this vaporware they call a video game.


Let me stop you right there.

EVE is always in development, and always will be. There is no 'complete', and comparing EVE to other games is like comparing a rocket to the moon to airplanes. There is nothing like EVE Online out there, and for that reason alone, there is no reason EVE should ever try to be like every other game out there.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
#70 - 2016-12-03 01:58:36 UTC
Sooooo....all the poors who can't afford <50 cents a day are going to boost CCP with microtransactions?
This plague of LOLEXPERTS who pretend to want to help out but are just begging, when will it end?
You got your free stuff and then some, pay up to play the full game or go away.


Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Jotunspor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#71 - 2016-12-03 02:06:14 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Jotunspor wrote:
...when they complete this vaporware they call a video game.


Let me stop you right there.

EVE is always in development, and always will be. There is no 'complete', and comparing EVE to other games is like comparing a rocket to the moon to airplanes. There is nothing like EVE Online out there, and for that reason alone, there is no reason EVE should ever try to be like every other game out there.


The essential components to a game. That is what I'm talking about. The content that entails any game that is considered a finished product. That's complete. And comparing EVE to other games from a creative perspective while using other games is a valid comparison. Considering they're all video games. EVE already isn't like every other game out there. And when you have a creative mind, and see how the codex (to a very, extremely small extent) has been started, you can very, very clearly and easily see how every truly unique game forms its own aesthetic, its own feel, and its own world. Since EVE doesn't have any real content, other than the 3D in-game assets the developers have made, then it's very clear. Odd how I have to point that out.
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#72 - 2016-12-03 02:11:27 UTC
Jotunspor wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Jotunspor wrote:
...when they complete this vaporware they call a video game.


Let me stop you right there.

EVE is always in development, and always will be. There is no 'complete', and comparing EVE to other games is like comparing a rocket to the moon to airplanes. There is nothing like EVE Online out there, and for that reason alone, there is no reason EVE should ever try to be like every other game out there.


The essential components to a game. That is what I'm talking about. The content that entails any game that is considered a finished product. That's complete. And comparing EVE to other games from a creative perspective while using other games is a valid comparison. Considering they're all video games. EVE already isn't like every other game out there. And when you have a creative mind, and see how the codex (to a very, extremely small extent) has been started, you can very, very clearly and easily see how every truly unique game forms its own aesthetic, its own feel, and its own world. Since EVE doesn't have any real content, other than the 3D in-game assets the developers have made, then it's very clear. Odd how I have to point that out.

Eve has no real content?

I'm as real as they come. I bet you are too. We are both content and we generate content.

There's nothing as real as EvE's content.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#73 - 2016-12-03 03:36:46 UTC
Jotunspor wrote:
Lunavera Poxicon wrote:
Keno Skir wrote:
Lunavera Poxicon wrote:
You have a really great game, but the way I see it, for me, I already spent 4-5 months as a subscriber here years ago and eventually it wasn't worth the monthly cost. Putting limitations on the game as heavy as you did ensures players like me won't be here long.


With respect, if you don't plan to subscribe at any point who cares if you stay around? You're providing nothing yet loudly complaining your great contribution to the game isn't being rewarded enough..


I made one post based off opinion, how is that loudly complaining? lol

There are literally millions of players like me that are unwilling to pay monthly subscriptions to games. We are however, willing to pay for the game upfront and gain access to it in its entirety. $60 will buy you a AAA title from top developers. That will get you 4 months of game time here. I don't feel this game is worth more than $60 and I have already spent that.

I would love to continue playing without restriction and be given some really interesting, creative, meaningful and amazing vanity items however. Again, millions of others feel the same way. That's why F2P games with vanity items for sale are racking larger player bases each year. Subs are on the decline. That model is old and not working out so well the past few years.

EVE stands to benefit from having a massive player base with enticing items for micro purchases over having a low population of all subs.


Pretty much summarizes the situation. I no longer want to pay for this game out of sheer principal. Can I afford it? Absolutely. Do I want to pay to play a video game every month? No. I'm a collector, and I usually go the extra length to get physical copies of games. There's an increased decline in gamers who actually want something tangible, so they'd rather much simply get digital copies of their games. I've paid for countless games over the many years that I've been a gamer. But now that I look back at it, the more and more ridiculous it is. It even SOUNDS bizarre, when you sit and think about it. A monthly fee... For a video game?

And while for some people, it is a huge stretch to play and grind up to a PLEX, it isn't for others. But that's just the thing.. you GRIND for that PLEX. I have an absolutely DISGUSTING Faction fit Nightmare that can burn through Incursions with a solid fleet... We'd be raking in stupid amounts of ISK. But at the end of the day, I want to turn on a game and relax. Not be very wary and cautious about how many video game dollars I've generated to keep me playing for free. It's no longer a game at that point.

I've come back to it time and time again. CCP will see exponentially greater success - or success in general - when they complete this vaporware they call a video game. It's got some great things, but it needs to actually have an expansive codex and all of the essential components to a complete video game in order to have true appeal amongst gamers. Otherwise, it'll continue to be the little, niche laughing-stock of the gaming community. Which is more or less what it always has been. The "fans" that will believe in anything a company does are the anti-culture in a gaming community. And they only serve to fuel the fire. I read some of the stuff here, and it's literally out of the mind of the textbook definition of the delusional.

Completely different view on games here. I don't give a damn about items at all. Especially not so called "vanity items". It's just a completely stupid idea to spend money on "vanity" pixel items. If I want to spend money on fancy stuff I do it in RL. I go to a shop and get me say a decanter from i.e. Saint Louis, Riedel or whatever floats my boat and get a fill of whisky or whine to go with.

On the other side, I care very much about game play and playing together with other people and don't have a problem with subbing for access. That's what I consider mmos are for.

Remove standings and insurance.
Princess Adhara
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2016-12-03 03:42:26 UTC
Lunavera Poxicon wrote:
$60 will buy you a AAA title from top developers. That will get you 4 months of game time here.


Eve is one of a kind. If it was rated, it would go for AAA+AAAtops, not that weak "AAA" you talk about. I've played those "AAA" games. They are not worth an Ibis.

Lunavera Poxicon wrote:
That's why F2P games with vanity items for sale are racking larger player bases each year. Subs are on the decline. That model is old and not working out so well the past few years.


Variety is the spice of life. I'm so glad we have Eve, a game that is unlike any other, running on a model different from most games these days.

Homogeneity sucks. If everything around is the same, where's the fun? You want Eve to become like everything else. Why? If you like everything else so much, go play them! Leave Eve alone.

Of course, the most popular games will be, by definition, those that appeal to the largest number of people. In other words, to the mediocre. We are fortunate that we live in a time when there is enough above average people interested in video games that it's possible to have a game like Eve around. A game that doesn't take you by the hand (while getting the other hand in your pocket) but requires from you a brain to succeed.

Lunavera Poxicon wrote:

You are aware there are numerous games available for purchase for a one time fee that are online, running off servers that are still up even after a decade right?


Great. Why are you here then?
Xodiac Primus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2016-12-03 03:50:08 UTC
The funny thing is, by the time they figure out they are too restrictive and try and put out a real FTP model, it will be too late. So many have come... seen the bait and switch and left. When the next FTP call goes out it will fall on deaf ears. It's a shame really, game defiantly deserves more life but they screwed the pooch ... hard
Jotunspor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#76 - 2016-12-03 03:55:53 UTC
Xodiac Primus wrote:
The funny thing is, by the time they figure out they are too restrictive and try and put out a real FTP model, it will be too late. So many have come... seen the bait and switch and left. When the next FTP call goes out it will fall on deaf ears. It's a shame really, game defiantly deserves more life but they screwed the pooch ... hard


And I love how you see it so often. Here on the forums. The comment section of various other websites. In-game in Help or Rookie chat. People calling it quits over this Kansas city shuffle BS.

And lol @ Players being "the content". JUST HOW deep in the fanboyism do you have to be to be that delusional? That's literally - jokes aside - physiologist-worthy levels of delusion right there.

Just like this one weirdo in-game who kept raving on and on about the "Empress" (A player who was "role playing") and that it was one of the most awesome moments in the history of the game.

The DMT is strong with these freekazoids. Very strong, indeed.
Miha V
Eldest Warriors
#77 - 2016-12-03 03:58:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Miha V
I would say EvE is not F2P it is just DEMO now. It is now even do not P2W !!!
- Major skills are restricted, so YOU WILL NEVER be competitive (trade, production, mining and so on)
- Major units are restricted like "cloaking devises", so forget to make any deliveries or trade at our PvP world.
- BTW even at frigates and cruisers you have restricted levels of skills trained!
- Subscription price was skyrocketed from $15 to $20 per month...
So, I'll just train my old untrained skills for free, but I can not see any options for me to play this game again. Today we have too many games to stack for single game for $20/month!
Good luck everybody!
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#78 - 2016-12-03 04:02:13 UTC
Jotunspor wrote:
Xodiac Primus wrote:
The funny thing is, by the time they figure out they are too restrictive and try and put out a real FTP model, it will be too late. So many have come... seen the bait and switch and left. When the next FTP call goes out it will fall on deaf ears. It's a shame really, game defiantly deserves more life but they screwed the pooch ... hard


And I love how you see it so often. Here on the forums. The comment section of various other websites. In-game in Help or Rookie chat. People calling it quits over this Kansas city shuffle BS.

And lol @ Players being "the content". JUST HOW deep in the fanboyism do you have to be to be that delusional? That's literally - jokes aside - physiologist-worthy levels of delusion right there.

Just like this one weirdo in-game who kept raving on and on about the "Empress" (A player who was "role playing") and that it was one of the most awesome moments in the history of the game.

The DMT is strong with these freekazoids. Very strong, indeed.

We aren't here because we think the game is **** you r3tard.

Delusional is coming to the company owned forums and expecting to find people who agree with your negativity.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Jotunspor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#79 - 2016-12-03 04:13:40 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Jotunspor wrote:
Xodiac Primus wrote:
The funny thing is, by the time they figure out they are too restrictive and try and put out a real FTP model, it will be too late. So many have come... seen the bait and switch and left. When the next FTP call goes out it will fall on deaf ears. It's a shame really, game defiantly deserves more life but they screwed the pooch ... hard


And I love how you see it so often. Here on the forums. The comment section of various other websites. In-game in Help or Rookie chat. People calling it quits over this Kansas city shuffle BS.

And lol @ Players being "the content". JUST HOW deep in the fanboyism do you have to be to be that delusional? That's literally - jokes aside - physiologist-worthy levels of delusion right there.

Just like this one weirdo in-game who kept raving on and on about the "Empress" (A player who was "role playing") and that it was one of the most awesome moments in the history of the game.

The DMT is strong with these freekazoids. Very strong, indeed.

We aren't here because we think the game is **** you r3tard.

Delusional is coming to the company owned forums and expecting to find people who agree with your negativity.


Well, if you didn't have the attention span of a goldfish, and perhaps read everything that has been said, then you'd realize you're the r3tard, r3tard. And I've lost count of people who are starting threads and joining on exposing the Joseph Stalin-inspired move pulled by CCCP... I MEAN, CCP with their "free" to play update. And brushing it aside by calling it "negativity" is yet another painfully obvious sign of a little antsville b*tch fanboy. Negativity nowadays seems like painting the truth itself in a negative light as to attract even more mentally challenged fanboys to help defend against it. You people are a disease.
Miha V
Eldest Warriors
#80 - 2016-12-03 04:19:26 UTC
Roenok Baalnorn wrote:

"...- Wealthy players ( like me) that can drop hundreds of dollars a month on a game and not think twice about it...."

Very funny, but I do not have habits to spend money to entertainments which I do not use/play. At RL there are too many options to be so stupid to pay for online game "hundreds of dollars a month on a game". It is your choice, but most of ppl over here count their money even if we have some income and savings. For example one day of downhill skiing/snowboarding is about $100+, multiply it for family. So, all you essay about money and MMO subscriptions is BS!
Regards.