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Alpha Clones And Possible Battlecruiser Use
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Sarus Gailen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2016-12-02 06:28:59 UTC
With the fact that Alpha clones can use the Gnosis because of its minimal skill requirement, it wouldn't exactly hurt to give Alpha clones access to battlecruisers.

Now, I know what people may say. Why would an Alpha clone be suggesting this? He is just a moocher!

Please, just hear me out.

I am not saying this to give Alpha clones more free stuff, but to give them more options to be more involved in the universe of New Eden. With how cruisers are already being fitted, it would be roughly similar with Battlecruisers since they are medium-sized warships and use the same kind of weapons cruisers do aside from the 'Tech 3' battlecruisers that can use battleship turrets..

Yeah I know, we're calling them wrong, but the name stuck.

But here is a thing, those 'Tech 3s' as we all call them, are a class of their own. They are their own beast.

What I would like to suggest is to give Alpha Clones access to battlecruisers EXCEPT for those ones that are able to use the big battleship guns. That way, the battlecruisers can still act like cruisers without overpowering the Alpha clones and possibly causing a huge imbalance between Alpha and Omegas. The reason why I would like to suggest this is because it all comes down to the cost of the ships. A Navy Issue cruiser costs nearly just as much as regular battlecruiser, and a Navy Issue battlecruiser costs about twice as much.

But that kind of ISK can still be earned as an Alpha.

Of course, keep it to that just limit. Personally, I would not give an Alpha a battlesip, that would be kind of going too far.

This is of course just an idea because, as an Alpha player myself, I am flying a Gnosis... despite how ugly it looks.

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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#2 - 2016-12-02 09:14:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Sobaan Tali
They're not Tech 3's, they are Tier 3's. Tech 3's are either Strategic Cruisers or Tactical Destroyers. Also, this would require a lot more work than you seem to think; CCP restricts ships and modules by limiting what skills Alphas have access to. So, giving them access to either the Harbinger or Prophecy would give the same access to the Oracle, for instance.

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#3 - 2016-12-02 10:21:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
Sarus Gailen wrote:
With the fact that Alpha clones can use the Gnosis because of its minimal skill requirement, it wouldn't exactly hurt to give Alpha clones access to battlecruisers.

tornadoes, taloses , yes it would
ok i read the rest of it.
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Zansha Expansion
#4 - 2016-12-02 10:51:15 UTC
Sarus Gailen wrote:
...But that kind of ISK can still be earned as an Alpha.


So you are saying you can make enough isk to fly a ship that costs around 100 million isk and let it get blown up?

I have just the idea for you, earn the 100 million approximately 11 times and buy a plex. Now you know how to become an omega and fly and train whatever you like.

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#5 - 2016-12-02 10:53:35 UTC
Sarus Gailen wrote:
With the fact that Alpha clones can use the Gnosis because of its minimal skill requirement, it wouldn't exactly hurt to give Alpha clones access to battlecruisers.

Now, I know what people may say. Why would an Alpha clone be suggesting this? He is just a moocher!

Please, just hear me out.

I am not saying this to give Alpha clones more free stuff, but to give them more options to be more involved in the universe of New Eden. With how cruisers are already being fitted, it would be roughly similar with Battlecruisers since they are medium-sized warships and use the same kind of weapons cruisers do aside from the 'Tech 3' battlecruisers that can use battleship turrets..

Yeah I know, we're calling them wrong, but the name stuck.

But here is a thing, those 'Tech 3s' as we all call them, are a class of their own. They are their own beast.

What I would like to suggest is to give Alpha Clones access to battlecruisers EXCEPT for those ones that are able to use the big battleship guns. That way, the battlecruisers can still act like cruisers without overpowering the Alpha clones and possibly causing a huge imbalance between Alpha and Omegas. The reason why I would like to suggest this is because it all comes down to the cost of the ships. A Navy Issue cruiser costs nearly just as much as regular battlecruiser, and a Navy Issue battlecruiser costs about twice as much.

But that kind of ISK can still be earned as an Alpha.

Of course, keep it to that just limit. Personally, I would not give an Alpha a battlesip, that would be kind of going too far.

This is of course just an idea because, as an Alpha player myself, I am flying a Gnosis... despite how ugly it looks.


You know CCP can´t pay severs with isk.

Cruiser is high enough!

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Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#6 - 2016-12-02 11:57:41 UTC
Cruisers give alphas a lot of options for sampling the game. Logi, e-war, combat, attack. Bc's have one job, that you can already get a taster of with cruisers. You ARE just asking for more free stuff.

Alphas could use more sp in certain things, but never bc's.

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Immemorial Coalescence
#7 - 2016-12-02 13:43:55 UTC
If one likes the game and wants more beyond Alpha then one should sub the game

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Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#8 - 2016-12-02 15:40:19 UTC
The Gnosis is 1 ship that all 4 races can fly and CCP doesn't need to fiddle anything to make it work. Gnosis also has the advantage that CCP has complete control over the supply. It's a "limited edition" ship so we have no right to expect there will ever be any more added to the game but, if the ship is working out well, CCP can maintain supply at whatever level they choose.

I believe Alpha State is achieving the goals CCP set for it. If you're enjoying the game and want more, an annual subscription costs 37 cents a day.
Sarus Gailen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2016-12-02 17:20:32 UTC
I'm not offended or angry that this got negative comments, I was of course expecting that. This is just simply an idea.

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Uriam Khanid
New Machinarium Corporation
#10 - 2016-12-02 19:06:44 UTC
Sarus Gailen wrote:
I'm not offended or angry that this got negative comments, I was of course expecting that. This is just simply an idea.


your idea is WRONG!!! you clearly don't understand how powerful a BC
Lugh Crow-Slave
#11 - 2016-12-02 19:09:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Lugh Crow-Slave
you want to be more involved then pay up to help keep the servers running and updates coming


and when did tech 3 stick in place of tier 3? did i miss a memo


also i don't think you understand that a cruiser and a BC are not the same thing... they do not fly the same and they do not fill the same roles in a fleet

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Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
#12 - 2016-12-02 19:15:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Gadget Helmsdottir
Sarus Gailen wrote:
With the fact that Alpha clones can use the Gnosis because of its minimal skill requirement, it wouldn't exactly hurt to give Alpha clones access to battlecruisers.

Now, I know what people may say. Why would an Alpha clone be suggesting this? He is just a moocher!

Please, just hear me out.

I am not saying this to give Alpha clones more free stuff, but to give them more options to be more involved in the universe of New Eden. With how cruisers are already being fitted, it would be roughly similar with Battlecruisers since they are medium-sized warships and use the same kind of weapons cruisers do aside from the 'Tech 3' battlecruisers that can use battleship turrets..

Yeah I know, we're calling them wrong, but the name stuck.

But here is a thing, those 'Tech 3s' as we all call them, are a class of their own. They are their own beast.

What I would like to suggest is to give Alpha Clones access to battlecruisers EXCEPT for those ones that are able to use the big battleship guns. That way, the battlecruisers can still act like cruisers without overpowering the Alpha clones and possibly causing a huge imbalance between Alpha and Omegas. The reason why I would like to suggest this is because it all comes down to the cost of the ships. A Navy Issue cruiser costs nearly just as much as regular battlecruiser, and a Navy Issue battlecruiser costs about twice as much.

But that kind of ISK can still be earned as an Alpha.

Of course, keep it to that just limit. Personally, I would not give an Alpha a battlesip, that would be kind of going too far.

This is of course just an idea because, as an Alpha player myself, I am flying a Gnosis... despite how ugly it looks.


Actually it would hurt to give Aplha's access to normal BC's.

BC's ARE COOL, therefore a pilot will be more willing to pay to access it.

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SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#13 - 2016-12-02 19:41:54 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
Daichi Yamato wrote:
Cruisers give alphas a lot of options for sampling the game. Logi, e-war, combat, attack. Bc's have one job, that you can already get a taster of with cruisers. You ARE just asking for more free stuff.



This. And really, this is no different than "Just one more nerf and it will be balanced." There will always be another, "Just one more free thing," so there isn't much sense in caving on any of it at the moment.

The system is intended to entice you to pay. It is the little pink sample spoon at the ice cream shop. Increasing the scope of the free sample contributes nothing to that goal. If cruisers haven't "sold" you on paying for the game, BCs (which are mostly just a bigger, slower combat cruiser) aren't going to do it, either.

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Deckel
Island Paradise
#14 - 2016-12-02 20:49:18 UTC
A very strong reason not to give access to Battlecruisers is the Oracle, Naga, Talos, and Tornado. Alphas are not getting Large guns, so why give access to a worthless ship that the player will have no use for.
David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2016-12-17 03:27:57 UTC
i would agree to alphas using bc so long as large guns are not allowed

therefore they can use tier 1 / tier 2 bc as they are designed but not tier 3 bc

that way they can run missions / rat in null but not be able to use bc to suicide gank using talos blasters or tornado's insta blaps

ccp could make the bc skill limited

level 1. tier 1 bc
level 2. tier 2 bc

level 3 tier 3 bc (not available to alphas)

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#16 - 2016-12-17 11:33:25 UTC
David Grogan wrote:
i would agree to alphas using bc so long as large guns are not allowed

therefore they can use tier 1 / tier 2 bc as they are designed but not tier 3 bc

that way they can run missions / rat in null but not be able to use bc to suicide gank using talos blasters or tornado's insta blaps

ccp could make the bc skill limited

level 1. tier 1 bc
level 2. tier 2 bc

level 3 tier 3 bc (not available to alphas)


There are no tiers anymore.

And why do you need a battlecruiser to rat? Is it 2009?
Lugh Crow-Slave
#17 - 2016-12-17 12:14:02 UTC
You want more pay for it

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2016-12-19 17:07:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
Give battlecruisers to beta clones.


The Gnosis isn't quite as powerful as it is beautiful. Limited racial weapon layouts reduce the power of an alpha pilot in a Gnosis. This is especially strong with the Caldari and Minmatar who cannot put in a proper flight of drones to balance out its meager set of weapons. In the hands of a trained Omega clone, the Gnosis is a bit stronger than other combat battlecruisers. But in the hands of an alpha, the racial combat battlecruisers would be stronger. (The exception is probably the Prophecy, which has an even weaker weapons layout for an alpha clone, though it has a strong defensive bonus.)


The tier 3 battlecruisers are today referred to as Attack Battlecruisers. The Attack type ships are those that focus on offense, leaving defense a mere afterthought. Other attack ships include the "tier 1" destroyers, frigates like the Kestrel, cruisers like the Thorax, battleships like the Apocalypse, and some of the navy ships. Furthermore, giving attack battlecruisers to alpha clones wouldn't be that bad. They'd have to fit them with medium turrets, and those ships don't even have the powergrid for a full rack of those things.

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Caldari State
#19 - 2016-12-19 17:11:37 UTC
David Grogan wrote:
i would agree to alphas using bc so long as large guns are not allowed

therefore they can use tier 1 / tier 2 bc as they are designed but not tier 3 bc

that way they can run missions / rat in null but not be able to use bc to suicide gank using talos blasters or tornado's insta blaps

ccp could make the bc skill limited

level 1. tier 1 bc
level 2. tier 2 bc

level 3 tier 3 bc (not available to alphas)


Sure, let's undo tiericide...
Layse Sorsae
IX Legion Hispana
#20 - 2017-02-01 14:56:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Layse Sorsae
I just returned to Eve and I agree that if you want everything then you should sub and support the game. But ccp ought to be a little more realistic than to call Eve F2p, it's really not. F2loggin is more accurate. I still have a bunch of stuff, stealth bombers/BC's/BB's and T2 gear but can't use any of it, so sub it is!

But at least people can play indefinitely now and grind out enough isk to buy a plex, that's cool.
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