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Mission puller alt - why?
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Mattias Karlsson
Drug Emprium of Sventopia
#1 - 2016-12-02 02:02:59 UTC
Hey guys!

I've recently started looking into running level 5 missions, and I keep hearing people say they use alts to accept the missions, even if it's just a single alt. My question is, what are the benefits of using a separate character for accepting missions, rather than just using the combat character itself?

Additionally, how does one actually set up a mission puller alt? Do you just grind missions with him in fleet until you've done enough storyline missions for him to reach 7.0 standings, or how does it work?
PopplerRo
#2 - 2016-12-02 08:51:14 UTC
They'll can still use the puller for missions. Main reason is for greater probability of getting the carrier capable and/or blitzable missions. More chars, the better the chance.

Most of the time they'll get one char to be able pull lvl5s by doing lvls1-4. Then new pulling alts will leech standings from being in fleet when the main char completes lvl5s, or they buy an alt that already has the standings
Mattias Karlsson
Drug Emprium of Sventopia
#3 - 2016-12-02 11:08:37 UTC
Thanks for replying. Is it important for the puller alt and/or the combat character to have high standings with for example gallente federation, or is it enough to just have high standings with the appropriate corporation? Also, are the storyline missions completely different from the regular level 5 missions, or are they kind of similar?
PopplerRo
#4 - 2016-12-02 12:21:57 UTC
I'm a little hazy on standings but they were a few guides posted to reddit such as

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/3ztpkz/repost_lvl_5_mission_guide/ /u/tararead covers the standings stuff pretty well
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#5 - 2016-12-02 14:46:25 UTC
The puller alt is so you can 'rubber band' standings. My puller alt doesn't even do the missions and can't fly a carrier at all.

It works like this. The puller alt rolls mission offers from the agent till I get one I can blitz (the the puller alt fleet warps my mission runner to the mission). This is done without regards to the standing loss that comes with declining missions. When the puller alt hit the 'wall' (ie corp/agent standing fall so far It can no longer pull missions from that agent) I start accepting/declining missions on my main (with alt still in fleet to benefit from standings gains as I complete missions).

Thus the term 'rubber banding', as the alt's standings decrease(from all the declining non-blitzable missions) the main's standings increase (from completing the blitz-able missions). Then they reverse roles. rinse and repeat till I'm rich lol, which doesn't take long when earning 250-400 mil per hour on average.

I don't do it much anymore since the fighter changes (most people love the new fighters, I hate the micro-management feel to them now).
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#6 - 2016-12-02 15:13:32 UTC
Another use for a puller alt is to run mulitple missions from the same agent .
When into heavy missions runs I use 3 alts plus my missions character. All of them pull a mission from the same agent at the same time, go run them all and then turn in all of them at the same time. It is faster this way especially if you have the skills to omni tank so you can fly directly from one mission to the next without stopping to change tank, ammo or drones.
Mattias Karlsson
Drug Emprium of Sventopia
#7 - 2016-12-02 15:32:31 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
... (ie corp/agent standing fall so far It can no longer pull missions from that agent) ...


So you don't bother with faction standings, but focus instead on corp standings? I've heard some people say it's better to get high faction standings, but I don't really understand why.
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2016-12-02 18:29:12 UTC
High faction standings let you run missions for any corporation in the faction. If I had 5.0 or above standings with Caldari State, I could get level 4 missions from Caldari corps that I'd never missioned for before.
Mattias Karlsson
Drug Emprium of Sventopia
#9 - 2016-12-03 14:58:14 UTC
Here's another question regarding level 5 missions. Do the actual mission sites spawn in the same system as the agent, or is it in the whole constellation or something? In that case, if you're using a carrier, do you have to put a carrier in every system in the constellation to effectively farm missions?
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#10 - 2016-12-03 15:36:29 UTC
Mattias Karlsson wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
... (ie corp/agent standing fall so far It can no longer pull missions from that agent) ...


So you don't bother with faction standings, but focus instead on corp standings? I've heard some people say it's better to get high faction standings, but I don't really understand why.


Both toons have high faction standings, faction standings fall slowly. Every once in a while I will run lvl 4s with both toons just to get the storylines to boost faction standings back up. It's all a balancing act, but a lucrative one.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#11 - 2016-12-03 15:39:59 UTC
Mattias Karlsson wrote:
Here's another question regarding level 5 missions. Do the actual mission sites spawn in the same system as the agent, or is it in the whole constellation or something? In that case, if you're using a carrier, do you have to put a carrier in every system in the constellation to effectively farm missions?


Carrier or MJD Raven, but of course the Raven is less capable. You can find lvl 5 agents with stations in every adjoining system (the system my agent is in has 2 gates, and there are stations in each of those systems. But you can also use POSes (while they exist) if you have an agent in an area with few stations.

Just decline missions in systems where you don't have a pre-positioned lvl 5 mission ship. And use an interceptor or the yacht fight for travel to move between systems.
Milostiev
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#12 - 2016-12-14 11:43:02 UTC
PopplerRo wrote:
They'll can still use the puller for missions. Main reason is for greater probability of getting the carrier capable and/or blitzable missions. More chars, the better the chance.


Actually the biggest problem is getting a streak of crappy missions. Even with top skills you may end up being locked out of that agent.
Doing it on 2 characters allows you to repair that standing, even if just a little bit.

Mattias Karlsson wrote:
Here's another question regarding level 5 missions. Do the actual mission sites spawn in the same system as the agent, or is it in the whole constellation or something? In that case, if you're using a carrier, do you have to put a carrier in every system in the constellation to effectively farm missions?

It's just like with lvl 4's, some are in same system, some are not.
There is one thing though, they are hard forced by CCP to be in low-sec, and when you have a couple of lousy low-sec and many hisec systems in that constellation, you may end up having most of those missions in one system (hint .... Hysera).
Milostiev
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#13 - 2016-12-14 11:45:16 UTC
Mattias Karlsson wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
... (ie corp/agent standing fall so far It can no longer pull missions from that agent) ...


So you don't bother with faction standings, but focus instead on corp standings? I've heard some people say it's better to get high faction standings, but I don't really understand why.



Elena answered this question, but i'd like to add that having 5.0 or above with a faction or more, will also let you farm lvl 4's for LP in hisec too, if you can get an area with multiple agents with good LP shops. (you could go for burners)