EVE General Discussion

Is this a serious request?

Hahahahaha.. seriously this whole thread :D

Democracy of this scale in a video game !? hahahaha. Take a look at USA under Trump and tell me more about how peaceful and unifying democracy can be.

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I doubt you fully grasp the amount of time and efforts this would require, even if it failed.

If i am an outlaw, how the hell will you punish me ? As human being i have rights, how will you enforce law if you have no way to rightfully protect my rights ?

What if i really don't care about your state and laws because it is, at the end of the day, a video game ? Am i allowed to be around even if i am not part of your government ? Would i be like a refugee, a criminal, a rebel !?

Who would have the authority to be Peace officers ? I mean, if you want a structured society, vigilantes are out of the question.

Who, where and how would you hold trials in your society ? Would it be split in jurisdiction or would it be always the same few people judging over 30 000 players actions ?

When it comes to vote, do you count all Accounts a guy own for 1 vote or is it the more the merrier ?

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Why don't you get yourself some real life hobby that really matter to you and those around you instead of coming out with ideas of regulating an already regulated open world ?!

Or create your own Corporation and call it something like '' Democratic republic of EVE ''. Or add every player you see to your contact list and pretend you all get along pretty well.

In doing so though, remember that we are all playing 1 of 4 Empires that separated (in the lore) for the exact same reason you want us all to be united.

Your idea is the sum-um of redundancy. A democratic government built with members of corporations, part of Alliance, native of an Empire each layer having its own agenda, set of rules and political issues ...


Seriously. If EVE is not enough for you as it is, maybe you should try something like... get a life.

Or at least pay a subscription fee.. you know... to at least not be ashamedly limited in the opportunities the full version of Omega clone has to offer.

Just a quick word about this guy telling the story of people killing his idea by trying to make the whole project a Corporation or an Alliance... Democracy means the people have the power to choose for themselves. If a lot of people want to do the opposite of what you have in mind, it is still democratic. People doing what they believe is best for them is the exact meaning of democracy. I am not sure where your idea failed if it really implied people living democratically.

If the point was to control them all but fool them by making them vote every once in a while about some pointless ****, it is not called Democracy. It is called United States of America.

I couldn't tell if I was supposed to roll my eyes, cringe, or both, at that essay either. Thanks for clarifying.

There are people who get the humour and there are people who take everything too seriously and are only destined to become content

Come RP you will hate the result less.

I've waited a bit to see the community feedback before making a response. I have returned to EVE for the sole purpose of working on this project, so I have given it quite a bit of thought.

I am mostly an industrial/commercial player, a carebear, who was drawn to this game because of the complex economic systems it offers. I appreciate the militant and often treacherous side of EVE, but I feel that our sandbox here is dominated by that style of play. CCP caters to those folks because they are the loudest voice, while the rest of us make do with whats available. I don't blame CCP, they should cater to the loudest voice. This is why I'm trying to raise OUR voice. This thread is open to everyone, but is naturally aimed at those who are more industrially/commercially minded.

With regards to questions of feasability, I think people are simply not giving enough credit to player-driven systems. We do not need hardcoded methods of handling things, there are clever solutions available if we simply look hard enough. I'll give some examples of my thoughts on this further down.

I envision this 'government' as a high-sec entity. People wail constantly about hisec as dead territory while they wage epic battles in null to carve out their own space. The idea that hisec is useless stems from the lack of resources and combat opportunities, but it has strengths that are not being properly exploited.

The root of many peoples concerns with this proposal seems to be law enforcement: "How do you make people follow your imaginary rules?" At its most basic and primal, law enforcement would consist of ganking those who do not comply. Kill-on-sight watchlists that would see offenders constantly hounded and harassed the minute they step into governed space. When more complex systems exist within government, such as trade or licenses, offenders could be punished by denial of privileges. However, at its most basic, the law is enforced by brute force just as it is in real life.

With regards to government structure, I think this is something that should develop from players via a preliminary council or series of discussions. I am not necessarily advocating a pure democracy, government takes many different forms. I have my own thoughts and ideas for how it should be, but this isn't "Join Dietrich's new pretend alliance", this is a call for a larger discussion and execution of a plan. I've thought of several different solutions to a variety of problems that I'd be happy to share in serious debate.

Long story short, everyone is welcome to comment. However, if you don't have anything constructive to add I'm just going to scroll past your post. If you like to practice typing, by all means carry on.

Brute force would be the method of last resort preferably, but yes. It is by definition and necessity simplistic.

I'm not asking anyone to follow me, I don't want to be a President or a King. I only want others to join me in conversation. I do not require credentials in order to have a conversation.

That said, I've played since 2009 and have watched EVE change and evolve over that time. I've paid hundreds, possibly thousands, of dollars into EVE over the course of the last decade. I choose to play for free now because it suits my real life and I'll not be maligned for it.

OP, please feel free to elaborate.

Nvm the haters. Even a perfect idea will always have them.
They are useful to show the weaknesses in your proposal.
Roll with the punches, throw a few jabs, but keep ontopic.

You wanted discussion, so detail your vision a bit more to get that started.

Hoo boy..

I think I would rather this be an RP thing.

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Questions, observations, and ruminations

Who would police the police?

What about those pilots that are not legislators? Their game-play is limited by some random group?

New players - there's no 18 years to train the innocent on how things work. How do they get properly represented... or even do you allow them to participate?

Alpha Clones... second class citizens? (Hush, Amarr)

At what point does this game cease to be a game?

If in HiSec... I think the Empress might not be too happy.

Honestly... It seems like you just described a short lived idealistic null sec alliance... or Provi. /shrug

--Gadget