Intergalactic Summit

You seriously don't live in the same Galaxy as the rest of us, do you?

You do realize that for the Amarr to have Matari slaves, they first had to go to (invade) Matari space? It's not like we decided to go on vacation in Amarr and "OOPS" got enslaved. You realize the slavery issue is a LOT more complex than "Oh it's just something the Amarr do" right?


Fun Fact: Not all Matari support the Republic.

This pilot has an extensive history of pronounced dissociation. I have long suspected a congenital brain defect, and I consider it credit to the State Protectorate that they have successfully made use of such a compromised resource.

True. Also bear in mind that the Republic still wields mechanisms to preserve the lives of those of us not recognized as Matari by Tribal law. While much of the Republic can be unkind to such persons, they remain citizens as long as they wish to.

Thank you for your help. I've got my head around it, but I'm going to have to keep reminding myself of it, I think, given the sheer alien nature of it, to me.

I'm much more at home with the Matari idea of Clans, which I think could just as easily apply to the Caldari mindset. Frankly, if I couldn't be Caldari, I'd love to be part of a Matari clan. One of those big sprawling family affairs with a hundred nephews and nieces and a hundred aunts and uncles.

I think it must be a great way to live come holiday time, beer in hand, something roasting on the fire and a big mess of you sprawled around the place telling and listening to stories, reading or whatever.

Maybe that's just my outsider perspective, but that's how I imagine it.

Think of it this way, Pieter. You're Civire. The origin of the Civire is Caldari Prime, and the Raata, which became the State. If you were to abandon the State, you might not be Caldari, but your ancestry would still be with the Raata and you would still be Civire. So it is with the Minmatar. The Thukker are not part of the Republic, but they're still Minmatar. It's the shared heritage, the cultural continuity.

Just so, the Intaki Syndicate are not part of the Federation, nor are the Intaki of Waschi City that became Mordu's Legion, but they are still Intaki, and they're still of the same blood and heritage as I. It's how Mordu's Legion can in some ways be considered State loyalists, and yet still be objective and unbiased enough that the Federation trusts them to enforce peace between itself and the State on two homeworlds - Intaki Prime and Caldari Prime. There is more to them than the State alone.

That actually helps too, Andreus. Thanks.

Some make a distinction between Minmatar and Matari. That distinction means somebody who has no Minmatar blood can be Matari if their spirit is with us and they choose to become part of our cultures, and somebody who has Minmatar blood isn't Matari if their spirit is against us (like if they willingly join the Cartel, which takes and trafficks slaves, or the Empire). Some see that as a spectrum, some don't.

In the Empire we don't enslave peoples by their race. We enslave criminals and prisoners of war. Would it be Amarr or Minmatar who will start making troubles, the punishment will be the same.

Well that's all well and good, care to explain what crime my kin did when your drop ships first landed? This should be good.....

Well. Hopefully running into equivalent tech civilizations, and having their last two attempts at militant reclaiming go so horribly wrong, might speed up the trend towards that in Imperial culture.

The main issue being generational slavery and thinking that conversion by brainwashing (that is to say denying the potential convert any other perspectives) is in any way legitimate. I'm afraid those two notions will have to go the way of the City of God and it's sponsor before there can be any lasting peace. Still the Marys have had cultural shifts like that before so there is always hope, no? But then you have to consider what happened to the Council that opposed the Mad Emperor. Shifts can go both ways, unfortunately.