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Wormhole Walter
Kherub Angels
#1 - 2016-11-29 22:47:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Wormhole Walter
In a wh and found a pos it has 2 incapacitated small beam lazer batterys floating in space next to it, are these dangerous and able to shoot me? am i able to destroy them while in this state? the pos is anchored.
there is no bubble round the pos.
thanks
Sir BloodArgon Aulmais
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2016-11-29 23:10:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Sir BloodArgon Aulmais
Some good pos terminology is as follows

Incapacitated - defensive modules that have been shot to death. Will not shoot until repaired and online'd.
Online - Active, able to shoot
Anchored - Locked in space, but NOT online.

These go for modules, pos's, and their defenses. Any pos without a shield is offline, and will say anchored. Thus anything around it is also offline.

IIRC to actually kill the incap'd defenses, the tower itself needs to die. otherwise you shoot at 99% resists
Wormhole Walter
Kherub Angels
#3 - 2016-11-29 23:15:34 UTC
thanks for the reply, the pos was on its own and since this afternoon the batterys have arrived, i have taken down the shields on them, there was no armor, once i got to structure my damage to it was like 10 :) so technically i need to kill the tower before i can do anything else?

Mmmmm that could take me a while..........
Sir BloodArgon Aulmais
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2016-11-29 23:28:34 UTC
Yeah basically. The shields regen naturally, but the structure can't be killed until the main stick is down.

Tower bashing is a real thing, unfortunately Big smile
Wormhole Walter
Kherub Angels
#5 - 2016-11-30 00:42:35 UTC
another question on same subject
re if the tower is offline will the resists still apply when it comes to bashing the actual hull?

its a caldari control tower small
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#6 - 2016-11-30 04:06:00 UTC
As long as the tower is still up, the resistances of the guns' hull will be 99%

In order to get rid of that, you need to destroy the tower.

Protip: There is money to be made here!
If you can destroy the tower, you can repair the modules (using Remote Armor and Hull Repairs), unanchor them, scoop them up, and sell them.

I used to do this with some veterans in my early days in EVE.
We would "bash" towers with very nice stuff anchored around it and thens scoop up everything for resale.

The catch is that destroying the tower often takes a LONG time. And during that time the tower will be notifying the corporation it belongs to that it is under attack... which means that someone may swing by in a combat ship to see what is going on.

How did you Veterans start?
Wormhole Walter
Kherub Angels
#7 - 2016-11-30 09:12:38 UTC
Thanks for that reply. My last question was refering to the actual towers resists are they still in effect if the tower is offline?

Cheers
Estuary Algaert
Petulant Luddite GmbH
#8 - 2016-11-30 17:13:04 UTC
Wormhole Walter wrote:
Thanks for that reply. My last question was refering to the actual towers resists are they still in effect if the tower is offline?

Cheers


The base resists are still there. If they have anchored any additional resistance structures those should show offline and thus not be providing additional bonuses.
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#9 - 2016-11-30 17:59:23 UTC
Sir BloodArgon Aulmais wrote:
Any pos without a shield is offline, and will say anchored. Thus anything around it is also offline.


Careful with telling people this. You can anchor a POS with its modules, put it online but never put in a password. It will be online with active guns but not have a forcefield. It's a great way to set up traps.
Sir BloodArgon Aulmais
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2016-12-01 16:11:34 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Sir BloodArgon Aulmais wrote:
Any pos without a shield is offline, and will say anchored. Thus anything around it is also offline.


Careful with telling people this. You can anchor a POS with its modules, put it online but never put in a password. It will be online with active guns but not have a forcefield. It's a great way to set up traps.


Fair enough, but I did say it would say "anchored". So if its actually online it would say "online" which should indicate the danger, same with the guns around it.
Major Trant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2016-12-01 17:12:45 UTC
What you found was a POS that had been attacked but not finished off and then abandoned by it's owner.

The POS was probably online when it was attacked, otherwise there would have been no need to shoot the laser batteries. The attacker took them out first so that he didn't have to bother with reps and could continue with DPS ships only or maybe his reps weren't quite strong enough to withstand the full firepower and he had to take down a couple for safety.

For some reason the attacker didn't finish the POS off, maybe he got driven off, maybe he bashed it to the invulnerabiltiy timer, but never came back for the second stage bash.

The owner decided to abandon it, that is a guess, but there is no other external mods floating there and it is unlikely that he only put two mods on. Only the owner can remove external mods while the Tower is still there. But he can't remove (unanchor) incapacitated mods without repping them first. Generally it isn't worth the effort, regular laser batteries aren't that expensive.

Note the use of the word 'external', by this I mean mods that reside outside the force field, generally weapons, ECM and tackle. (Internal) Mods that reside inside the forcefield - Hardeners, labs, silos and various storage hangers can be unachored (or destroyed) by anyone once the tower goes off line (and the bubble drops), without having to remove the Tower first.

Why didn't the owner remove the Tower too? Probably because he wanted it to remain there to prevent another entity putting up a POS on that moon. A lot of WH corps put anchored but offline sticks up on every moon in their WH to make it difficult for enemies to set up a base from which to evict them from.
Wormhole Walter
Kherub Angels
#12 - 2016-12-01 20:16:42 UTC
Major Trant wrote:
What you found was a POS that had been attacked but not finished off and then abandoned by it's owner.

The POS was probably online when it was attacked, otherwise there would have been no need to shoot the laser batteries. The attacker took them out first so that he didn't have to bother with reps and could continue with DPS ships only or maybe his reps weren't quite strong enough to withstand the full firepower and he had to take down a couple for safety.

For some reason the attacker didn't finish the POS off, maybe he got driven off, maybe he bashed it to the invulnerabiltiy timer, but never came back for the second stage bash.

The owner decided to abandon it, that is a guess, but there is no other external mods floating there and it is unlikely that he only put two mods on. Only the owner can remove external mods while the Tower is still there. But he can't remove (unanchor) incapacitated mods without repping them first. Generally it isn't worth the effort, regular laser batteries aren't that expensive.

Note the use of the word 'external', by this I mean mods that reside outside the force field, generally weapons, ECM and tackle. (Internal) Mods that reside inside the forcefield - Hardeners, labs, silos and various storage hangers can be unachored (or destroyed) by anyone once the tower goes off line (and the bubble drops), without having to remove the Tower first.

Why didn't the owner remove the Tower too? Probably because he wanted it to remain there to prevent another entity putting up a POS on that moon. A lot of WH corps put anchored but offline sticks up on every moon in their WH to make it difficult for enemies to set up a base from which to evict them from.



thanks for this info what you say above fits the scenario i have at the moment and makes perfect sense.