EVE General Discussion

You know, the thing is I'm not afraid of learning, but I can't afford it. I was running L2 distribution missions and searching for relic/data sites for past 2 days and got only 2-3 mil IKS (having around 10 total).Few more risky trips and I'm broke

I'll try the wormholes then - we'll see how it goes.

You know, a solid group could really help with that... *wink wink* *cough* join a corp *cough*

1. Ignore most advice given in this section of the forums. Instead, ask questions like yours in NCQ&A

2. Fun is entirely subjective and is entirely up to you, so try lots of stuff until you land on something you like doing

3. As far as earning ISK to PLEX - don't turn this game into a job if you can help it. A subscription isn't that expensive...

I was gonna suggest WH heisting but this is the next best thing, and quite a bit easier and less time consuming.

Yes, and just like everybody else playing this game, they accepted the risk of losing their ship the moment they undocked. Unless they are completely ignorant of what this game actually is, which is, at its core, a one-of-a-kind single-shard persistent player-driven sandbox where everything you do has an effect, great or small, on literally everyone around you. This is a PVP game, mate, from it's very core all the way to the top, and in every aspect, by virtue of everyone being in competition with everyone else in one way or another. That sweet relic site you're probing in lowsec? Someone else is probing it too, and if you don't beat them to it, but you want the stuff in it, your only other recourse is to blow them up.

And if you're not beating them, they will beat you. That's EVE.

Not ganking a miner just because there's a person with feelings on the other side is as bad as ganking them for the same reason, because you want to hurt them IRL by proxy of making them feel bad. Forget the person on the other side, the only thing that matters is what they can do in-game, and if they don't get that, it is their problem. You leave real life at the door when you enter this world, or you'll only make things harder on yourself.

His mistake was stealing stuff over time.

He should have taken it all in one go when everyone else was offline, after getting enough trust to take control of the POS('s), change their passwords in case anyone logged in, and then load up an alt or alts with freighters/dsts/whatever and get everything out of their quick smart. That is a heist. What the guy you caught doing, my heisting buddies and I call 'shoplifting'. It's small-scale and short-sighted. You don't take anything before the big one. If anything, you give the corp lots of cool stuff to gain their trust. A real heist requires investments like this, especially in time.

Do it this way, and there's no need to siege the pos. You can just repackage it and put it in a freighter.

As much as you're joking, you aren't wrong. A plex costs $20 and gets you 1.2 billion ISK. You can easily earn $20 in under an hour working IRL. Show me a playstyle that consistently gets you 1.2 billion ISK/hour. Just buy/sell a few plex and don't worry about ISK. If I'm going to grind for ISK, I'm going to do it in the most efficient way possible, which is doing it for cash IRL.

FW is really fun, to me at least. If you go with that, you might want to get into the Gallente-Caldari war. It's much more active than the Minmatar-Amarr one.

I've never done them, but incursions are excellent isk-earners, no?

If you're scanning for sites in hisec you are wasting your time. Even if you find wormholes in hisec, they're going to be the first place every alpha that heard that relic sites are decent money have already been and cleaned out, and more often than not the conntcting chains to them will also already be used up by those same players. Find your nearest losec entrance. Start scanning for wormholes, jump in said wormholes and start looking for sites and more wormholes.

Once your cargo starts filling up, either go back the way you came and sell ****, or look for another wormhole chain that gets you back to hisec to sell stuff.

The trick to exploration is you have to be willing to dive deep and risk your ship to make money. The deeper the chain the less likely it is someone got to it before you did.

PvP is a valid career path, with multi account you can blast space truckers and take their stuff.

Exploration has the thrill element because you can get engaged at any moment in WH/low/null.

The rest of the stuff for earning income in this game is straight boring, like watching paint dry kind of boring. It's all supposed to be, I think, as a form of punishment for losing a ship in pvp or pve and having to replace it. That sounds like icelander logic to me.