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Havenwar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#81 - 2016-11-29 16:30:19 UTC
wow a newbie here

it is a great game with stupid community reading forum make me want to leave asap hell
Sequester Risalo
German Corps of Engineers 17
Federation of Respect Honor Passion Alliance.
#82 - 2016-11-29 16:37:39 UTC
Havenwar wrote:
it is a great game with stupid community reading forum make me want to leave asap hell


I don't know whether you are referring to the OP and the other entitled bunch who really aren't on the bright side of humanity or the knowledgeable yet rude bunch explaining why the OPs complaints aren't justified.

In any event you may behave like 90% of the polulation and leave the forums alon. It is possible to enjoy the game without ever being here.
Zi DoLphE Dutuitisme
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#83 - 2016-11-29 17:38:48 UTC
It's not that we're not ready for eve, it's just that eve... isn't eve anymore...


Money over players... the worst definition of a "game"

Fair well ccp ! growing older hasn't made you smarter... sad!
Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
Seventh Sanctum.
#84 - 2016-11-30 14:53:38 UTC
Voxinian wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Annette Durado wrote:
In other walks of life, people can make a comment without being attacked right away, but never in Eve.

Who's attacked you?

I think what you are complaining about is a misinterpretation of what CCP have said, but I wouldn't attack you over it and I can't really see any evidence if attacks in anyone else's posts either. Just having a different view isn't an attack.


What has CCP said?

I hear and read different things all from the same CCP. One moment I read that Alpha is a free trail without a time limit. And then I watch like a CCP live stream where they are calling Alpha's the new free to play format. I don't think they really know yet what alpha is supposed to be.

Anywho... I am waiting for the cheapo sub Beta clone that lets me use all my current trained skills, but with added limits like no cyno and no skilltraining.


+ for that!
Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
Seventh Sanctum.
#85 - 2016-11-30 15:01:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Naye Nathaniel
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Voxinian wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Annette Durado wrote:
In other walks of life, people can make a comment without being attacked right away, but never in Eve.

Who's attacked you?

I think what you are complaining about is a misinterpretation of what CCP have said, but I wouldn't attack you over it and I can't really see any evidence if attacks in anyone else's posts either. Just having a different view isn't an attack.


What has CCP said?

I hear and read different things all from the same CCP. One moment I read that Alpha is a free trail without a time limit. And then I watch like a CCP live stream where they are calling Alpha's the new free to play format. I don't think they really know yet what alpha is supposed to be.

Anywho... I am waiting for the cheapo sub Beta clone that lets me use all my current trained skills, but with added limits like no cyno and no skilltraining.


You'll be waiting a while. I have no idea why such a thing would be needed. A full sub is only $15 a month, or 50c a day. There's no price niche to fill. If you can't spare $15 a month for entertainment, you've got bigger problems than what you aren't getting for free.


1st of all - in europe it's 15euro;
Whole europe have to pay in euro even if the currency is 4.2:1 (4.2 of mother currency for 1 euro);

2nd of all - do not take a look into my pocket - i earn and keep what is mine and it's me to decide if I want to pay - for me it's like 3 hours of work to get a gametime - but then.

3rd of all - if ill pay - im forced to play Eve - just not to waste my money which i Paid for it -or grind ISK to buy myself a PLEX -

Where is enjoyment?

Like I said before - Alphas are not free to play - it's a trial accounts which there is low chance u can get an Omega in one month of playing eve as Alpha... 4 mln isk for 1 hour of mining - maybe in two - three months...
Gregorius Goldstein
Queens of the Drone Age
#86 - 2016-11-30 15:05:51 UTC
Of cource the game is "free to try/start" and not "free to play", why would anyone pay a buck anymore when it was?
Pretty much the same limitation as most other "FTP" games have. And you don't believe adverts litteraly, do you?

But from all FTP games I know EVE is the only one you can grind for a full sub in a moderate amount of time. And once you got your first PLEX ist is quite easy to grind more and stay Omega without paying a dime. Would it be easier to just earn a few bucks and pay the sub? YES! Is there an other FTP game you can stay fully subbed for less than 50 hours grind per month? None I can think of.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#87 - 2016-11-30 15:09:57 UTC
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Like I said before - Alphas are not free to play - ..

How much are you paying to play an alpha?
Wander Prian
Nosferatu Security Foundation
#88 - 2016-11-30 15:12:46 UTC
Where does it say that you are supposed to get enough ISK for a PLEX in a month? What guarantee is there that you are able to do it with alpha or even omega? Unless you get really damn lucky, you don't. You need to learn the game first before you start thinking about that.

The good thing aboug alpha is that there is no time-limit. You can play as much or as little as you want, grind for as long as it takes you to get that PLEX, but remember that it will only last a month and then you got to get the next 1,2-1,3 billion for another one.

While you CAN play Eve for free by buying PLEX, it doesn't mean that you are required to do so. Just mindleslly grinding is not what the game is about and will lead you to be burned out of the game.

Wormholer for life.

Thursday Park-Laine
Queens of the Drone Age
#89 - 2016-11-30 15:16:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Thursday Park-Laine
Zi DoLphE Dutuitisme wrote:
It's not that we're not ready for eve, it's just that eve... isn't eve anymore...


Money over players... the worst definition of a "game"

Fair well ccp ! growing older hasn't made you smarter... sad!


I am new to EVE and for me it seems quite in line with other game from the "content to price ratio" point of view.

But when I read some comments here it seems like EVE was kind of a charity run by nordic hippies a few years ago. Or are the vets like my grandparents that tend to forgett things like the cold war, the acutal war and normal things like dishwashers beeing luxury goods when they tell me about the golden times they grow up in.
Thursday Park-Laine
Queens of the Drone Age
#90 - 2016-11-30 15:19:23 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Like I said before - Alphas are not free to play - ..

How much are you paying to play an alpha?



Ssshhh, don't ruin the scam :)
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#91 - 2016-11-30 15:50:09 UTC
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Like I said before - Alphas are not free to play - it's a trial accounts which there is low chance u can get an Omega in one month of playing eve as Alpha... 4 mln isk for 1 hour of mining - maybe in two - three months...

Still Alphas play for free. Omega is not.

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Zi DoLphE Dutuitisme
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#92 - 2016-11-30 20:28:41 UTC
Thursday Park-Laine wrote:
Zi DoLphE Dutuitisme wrote:
It's not that we're not ready for eve, it's just that eve... isn't eve anymore...


Money over players... the worst definition of a "game"

Fair well ccp ! growing older hasn't made you smarter... sad!


I am new to EVE and for me it seems quite in line with other game from the "content to price ratio" point of view.

But when I read some comments here it seems like EVE was kind of a charity run by nordic hippies a few years ago. Or are the vets like my grandparents that tend to forgett things like the cold war, the acutal war and normal things like dishwashers beeing luxury goods when they tell me about the golden times they grow up in.




Well, it's the opposite ! Eve is free since november, and i was happy to pay 20dollars a month ... because mechanics were working fine !
I'm not unhappy because eve is free to play now ! I'm disappointed because ccp advertise a f2p game when it's obviously only a free to test game and pvp mechanics (between others) have been ruined ! I repeat : eve was the best pvp game imo, but when you introduce a mechanic with ships able to warp faster than a server's tic, it just disable all the fun you can have from the danger of a 0.0 area... it's like introducing a saving system in dark soul, it deletes the essence of the game ! Eve was fun because it was risky (lot of camps in low sec, bubbles and scan res boost's in 0.0, lot of pirates in every region, ...) Now, i can, with a 1month old char, jump in each new eden system without even caring... Where is the fun of that ? You wanna pilot a ship ? Dl flight simulator and buy a joystick, you'll get much more fun... (and i'm just talking about 1 mechanic, i won't talk about sov's changing and jump's nerf). Eve just lost all the fun that made me pay every month ! Eve is lost, and ccp is the reason why ! Not a drama, it's just a waste of potential... Sad as ****!
Voxinian
#93 - 2016-11-30 20:46:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Voxinian
Nevermind - something on my end.
Toobo
Project Fruit House
#94 - 2016-12-01 08:22:34 UTC
I do not normally judge people by their economic standing IRL, but calling people who can afford multiple accounts 'hardcore losers' while insinuating paying for even a single account is 'too much' made me laugh.

I'm surprised this hasn't been said yet, which has been said on forums many times before - if a single account subscription fee for EVE is too much of a financial burden for you IRL, maybe it's good that you don't play video games.

I can pay for all my subs with in game earned ISK by buying PLEX easily, but my main Toobo account I always pay with $$$ sub (I do yearly subscription), because it's a bargain when you consider so many other things IRL that can cost you money for fun.

I can understand if you are going through hectic RL schedule then yes, subscription fees can feel expensive, because you are paying but can't actually log on to the game or even get a few hours of play for a month. But CCP's Alpha account is actually very nice option. If you are going through busy RL schedule you can unsub for a month and still get to log on to the game as alpha, so I really can't see how this complain can be justified. :p


Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!

Vigirr
#95 - 2016-12-01 08:31:28 UTC
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Voxinian wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Annette Durado wrote:
In other walks of life, people can make a comment without being attacked right away, but never in Eve.

Who's attacked you?

I think what you are complaining about is a misinterpretation of what CCP have said, but I wouldn't attack you over it and I can't really see any evidence if attacks in anyone else's posts either. Just having a different view isn't an attack.


What has CCP said?

I hear and read different things all from the same CCP. One moment I read that Alpha is a free trail without a time limit. And then I watch like a CCP live stream where they are calling Alpha's the new free to play format. I don't think they really know yet what alpha is supposed to be.

Anywho... I am waiting for the cheapo sub Beta clone that lets me use all my current trained skills, but with added limits like no cyno and no skilltraining.


You'll be waiting a while. I have no idea why such a thing would be needed. A full sub is only $15 a month, or 50c a day. There's no price niche to fill. If you can't spare $15 a month for entertainment, you've got bigger problems than what you aren't getting for free.


1st of all - in europe it's 15euro;
Whole europe have to pay in euro even if the currency is 4.2:1 (4.2 of mother currency for 1 euro);

2nd of all - do not take a look into my pocket - i earn and keep what is mine and it's me to decide if I want to pay - for me it's like 3 hours of work to get a gametime - but then.

3rd of all - if ill pay - im forced to play Eve - just not to waste my money which i Paid for it -or grind ISK to buy myself a PLEX -

Where is enjoyment?

Like I said before - Alphas are not free to play - it's a trial accounts which there is low chance u can get an Omega in one month of playing eve as Alpha... 4 mln isk for 1 hour of mining - maybe in two - three months...


We nor CCP care about your special snowflake wallet situation, if you don't like something well enough to pay for it then simply don't play it, problem solved. Also if your idea of making money is mining for 4 mil/h then honestly you're playing eve wrong.

Sounds like you're lazy and want others to solve your problems for you.
Serafiel
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#96 - 2016-12-01 10:16:46 UTC
Annette Durado wrote:
So I log into the 'free' Eve and nothing is free. Any skill I need to develop requires a paid sub as I've got the basic ones already. The ships I already own, I can't fly because I need a sub.


Since you cant fly them...can I have them? :)
Zi DoLphE Dutuitisme
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#97 - 2016-12-01 11:45:41 UTC
Toobo wrote:
I do not normally judge people by their economic standing IRL, but calling people who can afford multiple accounts 'hardcore losers' while insinuating paying for even a single account is 'too much' made me laugh.

I'm surprised this hasn't been said yet, which has been said on forums many times before - if a single account subscription fee for EVE is too much of a financial burden for you IRL, maybe it's good that you don't play video games.

I can pay for all my subs with in game earned ISK by buying PLEX easily, but my main Toobo account I always pay with $$$ sub (I do yearly subscription), because it's a bargain when you consider so many other things IRL that can cost you money for fun.

I can understand if you are going through hectic RL schedule then yes, subscription fees can feel expensive, because you are paying but can't actually log on to the game or even get a few hours of play for a month. But CCP's Alpha account is actually very nice option. If you are going through busy RL schedule you can unsub for a month and still get to log on to the game as alpha, so I really can't see how this complain can be justified. :p





I guess the complaining isn't so much about the fact that eve is free or not... it's more about the "free to play" advertising which is a lie... every player can pay a plex with a month old char and a lot of game time (decreasing while skills get learnt) but i guess this "free to play" label isn't justified because... well, this version of eve is not the definition of a free to play game... as simply as that ;)
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#98 - 2016-12-01 12:05:17 UTC
Zi DoLphE Dutuitisme wrote:
this version of eve is not the definition of a free to play game... as simply as that ;)


It's not that simple at all. You actually have access to a full game for free. All the gameplay that is available in EVE is available for free. The fact you can't do things as effectively as people who pay is meaningless. The fact you can do them at all, for free, is what matters. You are getting a whole lot of game for a whole lot of nothing. That is the very definition of free to play. Just because you expect everyone to do it the same way as your favourite free to play game doesn't mean they're not free if they don't do it that way.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Zi DoLphE Dutuitisme
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#99 - 2016-12-01 12:08:21 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Zi DoLphE Dutuitisme wrote:
this version of eve is not the definition of a free to play game... as simply as that ;)


It's not that simple at all. You actually have access to a full game for free. All the gameplay that is available in EVE is available for free. The fact you can't do things as effectively as people who pay is meaningless. The fact you can do them at all, for free, is what matters. You are getting a whole lot of game for a whole lot of nothing. That is the very definition of free to play. Just because you expect everyone to do it the same way as your favourite free to play game doesn't mean they're not free if they don't do it that way.




the definition of a free to play game means that ALL the content of the quoted game is FREELY available for ALL the players... Is it the case for eve? ... i guess not!
simple ^^
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#100 - 2016-12-01 12:12:49 UTC
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Voxinian wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Annette Durado wrote:
In other walks of life, people can make a comment without being attacked right away, but never in Eve.

Who's attacked you?

I think what you are complaining about is a misinterpretation of what CCP have said, but I wouldn't attack you over it and I can't really see any evidence if attacks in anyone else's posts either. Just having a different view isn't an attack.


What has CCP said?

I hear and read different things all from the same CCP. One moment I read that Alpha is a free trail without a time limit. And then I watch like a CCP live stream where they are calling Alpha's the new free to play format. I don't think they really know yet what alpha is supposed to be.

Anywho... I am waiting for the cheapo sub Beta clone that lets me use all my current trained skills, but with added limits like no cyno and no skilltraining.


You'll be waiting a while. I have no idea why such a thing would be needed. A full sub is only $15 a month, or 50c a day. There's no price niche to fill. If you can't spare $15 a month for entertainment, you've got bigger problems than what you aren't getting for free.


1st of all - in europe it's 15euro;
Whole europe have to pay in euro even if the currency is 4.2:1 (4.2 of mother currency for 1 euro);

2nd of all - do not take a look into my pocket - i earn and keep what is mine and it's me to decide if I want to pay - for me it's like 3 hours of work to get a gametime - but then.

3rd of all - if ill pay - im forced to play Eve - just not to waste my money which i Paid for it -or grind ISK to buy myself a PLEX -

Where is enjoyment?

Like I said before - Alphas are not free to play - it's a trial accounts which there is low chance u can get an Omega in one month of playing eve as Alpha... 4 mln isk for 1 hour of mining - maybe in two - three months...


Let me reiterate something here, just in case you're ignoring it on purpose.

If you are struggling to find 50c a day for your entertainment, then you have bigger problems than how much gaming costs.

Again, there won't be a 'beta' clone because there's no price niche to fill. There's free, and you get a whole lot more for free than people seem to think, and then there's $15 a month (including whatever that converts to in whatever currency you use in whatever country you're from - seriously, you make that point as if it matters, but it really doesn't). If you don't like it, don't pay it. You have that option, and a whole lot of game to play with the 'I don't want to pay' option.

As for the point made by someone earlier: "they can have $7 a month, or $15 for two months each once a year". Or, they can tell you to grow the **** up and get over yourself. Cuz you know, we all have options.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104