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Can not change type of gas in Biochemical silo
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SEEWOLFas Dragonite
Progeny of Navadis
#1 - 2016-11-27 11:22:55 UTC
Hi there!

I have access to the POS control, to change the processes, to switch on and off the structures on the POS, to add and remove fuel to POS fuel bay, to add reaction script, but I can not change the type of a gas in Biochemical silo -- it is showing, that I don't have enough rights for that. WTF?!

As much as I know, I don't have role of "starbase configuration", but if I will get that role, I'll be able to do anything with ALL of the structures on ALL POSes, but not only with structures on that specific POS, where is polymer reaction set up. And that is TOO STUPID. And also HUGE security hole in the corp system...

All the trolls should pass along, without leaving stupid comments. TY.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#2 - 2016-11-28 01:33:37 UTC
You need Starbase Configuration to setup reactions.

You don't need it to offline / online silos.
SEEWOLFas Dragonite
Progeny of Navadis
#3 - 2016-11-28 05:19:32 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
You need Starbase Configuration to setup reactions.

You don't need it to offline / online silos.


I DO need to online/offline silos to remove final product of the reaction, to change the type of gas.

And again, if I'll be granted Starbase Configuration, I'll get full access to ALL POSes -- to online/offline their structures, to anchor/de-anchor structures -- basically, I need to be too trusted by the CEO. And if I'm new to the corp, but my biggest income was before from polymer making? And how the CEO could know, if he can trust to new player in corp, that that new player is not a spy? And to give to that new player control of all assets on all POSes?!
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2016-11-28 07:49:50 UTC
POS security and roles have been a mess for a long time requiring way too high rights to do anything useful, and they won't be fixed seeing that POS are being phased out.

Let's just hope that the mining platforms (which is where I expect the reactions will be bonused) are sensible and well-designed.
SEEWOLFas Dragonite
Progeny of Navadis
#5 - 2016-11-28 07:57:29 UTC
Elena Thiesant wrote:
POS security and roles have been a mess for a long time requiring way too high rights to do anything useful, and they won't be fixed seeing that POS are being phased out.


for now, there is NO alternative for polymer making, except of on POS, and there was no any info about where to this manufacturing will be moved...

Elena Thiesant wrote:
Let's just hope that the mining platforms (which is where I expect the reactions will be bonused) are sensible and well-designed.


we'll see how it will be... My guess: for now it still was not thought where to boil polymers, and in last moment there will be module for manufacturing citadel or for that mining platform, which module will be conflicting with the rest of the game...
YeuxVerts Belle
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2016-11-28 08:03:34 UTC
SEEWOLFas Dragonite wrote:
we'll see how it will be... My guess: for now it still was not thought where to boil polymers, and in last moment there will be module for manufacturing citadel or for that mining platform, which module will be conflicting with the rest of the game...


Then it's time for you to hop onboard and help the dev team with well-reasoned sensible suggestions. There's a forum subsection for those, alongside other kinds of suggestions.

The above message presents my opinions on the topic at hand. If there is a conflict between my views and reality, consider reality to be correct until proven otherwise.
SEEWOLFas Dragonite
Progeny of Navadis
#7 - 2016-11-28 08:25:43 UTC
YeuxVerts Belle wrote:
Then it's time for you to hop onboard and help the dev team with well-reasoned sensible suggestions. There's a forum subsection for those, alongside other kinds of suggestions.


I tried to pass the idea about hole in the security -- was sent a bit further, but in polite way...
Tau Cabalander
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#8 - 2016-11-28 23:52:27 UTC
SEEWOLFas Dragonite wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
You need Starbase Configuration to setup reactions.

You don't need it to offline / online silos.


I DO need to online/offline silos to remove final product of the reaction, to change the type of gas.

Then you are not servicing a current reaction, you are configuring a new one.

Reactions, which predate Hybrid Polymer reactions, are really designed for moon mining, which is setup-and-forget with the occasional silo emptying / refilling.

Yes, we all know the starbase roles system sucks. Hence citadels and EC have ACLs, and starbases are slated to be removed eventually.
SEEWOLFas Dragonite
Progeny of Navadis
#9 - 2016-11-30 14:23:07 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
SEEWOLFas Dragonite wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
You need Starbase Configuration to setup reactions.

You don't need it to offline / online silos.


I DO need to online/offline silos to remove final product of the reaction, to change the type of gas.

Then you are not servicing a current reaction, you are configuring a new one.

Reactions, which predate Hybrid Polymer reactions, are really designed for moon mining, which is setup-and-forget with the occasional silo emptying / refilling.

Yes, we all know the starbase roles system sucks. Hence citadels and EC have ACLs, and starbases are slated to be removed eventually.


I am really sorry to say that, but it looks that You are not understanding at all what You are talking about. First of all, in polymer reactions there are produced POLYMERS from GASES and MINERALS, and those reactions have NOTHING to do with moon harvested materials. Secondly, just read one more time the name of the topic itself: if the Biochemical silo is NOT switched off, there is NO any possibility to change type of gas, no such option. That option appears ONLY when the structure is switched off.

So, for the future, before writing something, first think with the head, if You REALLY understand what You are going to talk about, just not to look like one more flood shitter.


I was granted "Starbase configuration" role, so now I can manage fully polymer reaction setup. So, stop monitoring this thread. End of topic.
Tau Cabalander
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#10 - 2016-12-01 09:21:36 UTC
Given that I've done hybrid reactions for years, and am considered quite knowledgeable in all matters starbase (and industry in general), I can't help but laugh at your insults, and suggest that perhaps that you consider that you may be misunderstanding what I wrote.

I was simply giving you the history, reasons why it is broke, and reasons why it won't be fixed, as well as the only solution available.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#11 - 2016-12-01 17:09:34 UTC
SEEWOLFas Dragonite wrote:
I am really sorry to say that, but it looks that You are not understanding at all what You are talking about. First of all, in polymer reactions there are produced POLYMERS from GASES and MINERALS, and those reactions have NOTHING to do with moon harvested materials. Secondly, just read one more time the name of the topic itself: if the Biochemical silo is NOT switched off, there is NO any possibility to change type of gas, no such option. That option appears ONLY when the structure is switched off.

So, for the future, before writing something, first think with the head, if You REALLY understand what You are going to talk about, just not to look like one more flood shitter.


I was granted "Starbase configuration" role, so now I can manage fully polymer reaction setup. So, stop monitoring this thread. End of topic.


So... this is really, really rude. Tau answered your questions in the most helpful way possible, explaining actual game mechanics as they are (and he even agreed with you that they're dumb). He didn't misunderstand a thing; all reactions are treated equivalently whether you know it or not. If this is going to be your general attitude to people offering help then next time instead of asking just sit in the dark, alone and save us all the trouble.
Losjara Dragonite
Old Buddies
#12 - 2016-12-01 19:42:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Losjara Dragonite
well...
SEEWOLFas Dragonite
Progeny of Navadis
#13 - 2016-12-01 19:48:04 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
So... this is really, really rude. Tau answered your questions in the most helpful way possible, explaining actual game mechanics as they are (and he even agreed with you that they're dumb). He didn't misunderstand a thing; all reactions are treated equivalently whether you know it or not. If this is going to be your general attitude to people offering help then next time instead of asking just sit in the dark, alone and save us all the trouble.


Well, what did I write in the very beginning?

-SEEWOLFas Dragonite (#1 - 2016-11-27 11:22:55 UTC):"... but I can not change the type of a gas in Biochemical silo -- it is showing, that I don't have enough rights for that. WTF?!"

And what was answered to that?

Tau Cabalander wrote:
You don't need it to offline / online silos.


This only shows, that the man is writing only to be seen on forum, without reading properly what he's going to answer about. Next, when I pointed at non-accuracy in answer,

-SEEWOLFas Dragonite (#3 - 2016-11-28 05:19:32 UTC): "I DO need to online/offline silos to remove final product of the reaction, to change the type of gas."

what next did I get as adwise?

Tau Cabalander wrote:
Then you are not servicing a current reaction, you are configuring a new one.


Bloody hell, YES!!! I'm trying to change type of gas in Biochemical silo, and that must be done ONLY for setup of the reaction, not for servicing running one!!! And that's what I wrote in the very first post!!!
And what goes next?

Tau Cabalander wrote:
Reactions, which predate Hybrid Polymer reactions, are really designed for moon mining, which is setup-and-forget with the occasional silo emptying / refilling.


Man, hello!! Anybody home? What are you talking about?! Where is connection between polymer reactions and moon harvesting, except that for both you need POS?!

So, did I get any useful info from those answers? You might tell me, that he said that I need to have Starbase configuration role... Well, that's what I wrote in the very first post. So, the input of that non-reading flooder into my education regarding polymer reaction setup -- ZERO.
And what did I put at the end of the very first post? Just scroll up...
Yep, I'm rude... But not shitting in other's topics.

And one more thing just as desert:

Tau Cabalander wrote:
Given that I've done hybrid reactions for years, and am considered quite knowledgeable in all matters starbase (and industry in general)...


THERE IS NO ANY HYBRID REACTION IN THIS GAME!!! Actually, the last quote says everything...
regional market
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#14 - 2016-12-02 03:29:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
SEEWOLFas Dragonite wrote:
THERE IS NO ANY HYBRID REACTION IN THIS GAME!!! Actually, the last quote says everything...
regional market

You make me laughLol

Hybrid Reactions (a.k.a. Polymer Reactions, or Hybrid Polymer Reactions, or Fullerene reactions, or T3 reactions)

Hybrid Polymer Silo may contain only

"Hybrid" and "Polymer" (or "Hybrid Polymer" or "Fullerene" or "T3") reactions are commonly used equivalently, as that's enough to identify these reactions from "Simple" and "Complex" (or "Moon" or "Moon-goo" or "Goo" or "T2") and Simple / Complex "Biochemical" (or "Drug" or "Booster") reactions.

I've also seen the terms "wormhole reactions", and "gas reactions", but those are used very rarely, and both are misleading so I don't use them.