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We have reached Stagnation

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#61 - 2016-11-29 23:11:41 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
we had this thread like 6 months ago.
then WWB happened.

no one rules alone
no one rules forever

give it time, anarchy is allways only one miss typed word or miss click away

I mean we had this thread 6 years ago, nap fest, blue doughnut, stagnation, ect...

yup,
its one of those threads thats just always been there,
for as long as ive been reading the forums that thread has been on the front page,
op changes,
so do the antagonists but its always the same thread.

and welcome back btw, good to see some of the old guard
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#62 - 2016-11-30 01:18:55 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Phoenix vajaa wrote:
So We are finally there. It has taken years but we have now reached the point of perfect assured destruction
NC/PL now have so many supers and TITAN they can drop them risk free.
The only powers able to match them are Goons and the Russian Block maybe.
3 Super Powers stuck in a endless arms race for more and more supercapitals.

B-R showed them the possible loss a super capital brawl would inflict.
Now no super power will risk a fight where another super power could take the upper hand. It has become a cold war with proxy wars in lowsec. Empires like these can not be conquered they can only fall from within. Also A guy in PL told me their FC's all think NC are their cast off's who are not good enough for PL. And they smell.


To some extent you are right but so what?

It has been like this for years and nothing will change but again so what?

The best thing to do is just leave them to it and play the game you want to play.

I fell into the same trap as yourself and it completely burned me out and I quit the game 2 years ago.

I am now looking to come back and this time am not going to fall into the same trap.

I honestly couldn't less about the Goons, PL, NC or whoever.

I am going to play Eve the way I want to play and to hell with everybody else.

Haven't seen a Prince Kobol post in many months. WB! if you've been away.
Senshi Feixing
ENL Holdings
#63 - 2016-11-30 03:45:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Senshi Feixing
As a noob with a lot of money and starting my own alliance, these are my opinions:

Who is Goonswarm?

NC is best left alone.

PL...pl....I think I've heard of them before.

The days of supercapitals and dreads mattering seem to be over. I am a 1y/o toon and I have a bunch of carriers and dreads that are just collecting dust in Ignoitton. In fact I was not even here when WWB started or when PL became a dominant power, and to me these big battles and big power blocks have little effect. I just want to mine, trade, and make ISK. Sooner or later these coalitions will fall and that means I am going to be sending my rent check to someone else. And in the off-chance that no one appears to take my money then I'll just take the stuff down and do it myself.

honestly I feel like we are to a point in EVE where the biggest alliances aren't even alliances, rather rental companies who couldn't muster a formidable sub-cap fleet to save their lives.

CCP tried to shake null up a bit by increasing jump range for caps and thusly increasing power-projection capabilities for large alliances. The only problem is there is nowhere left to project power. You're either going to hit a brick wall of super-caps or low-sec.

IDK If this is what the actual situation is, but this is what it looks like to a noob like me.

Please, do educate me :)
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2016-11-30 05:47:57 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
There are some relatively simple changes that can indirectly encourage fragmentation (although not complete solution in and of themself)

For example, removing Local in NS would be a reasonable start.

It would be good to get some explanation of why local in NS is important for block stability?

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Salvos Rhoska
#65 - 2016-11-30 09:20:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
March rabbit wrote:

It would be good to get some explanation of why local in NS is important for block stability?

Fair request.

Its free automatic intel on who is in a system, as to whether friend or foe. Rest can be ascertained through investigating killboards and character/corp history. Can even make some good guesses on what they might be flying atm or whether they might have alts and who they might be.

This is good for NS safety and stability.

Non-blue shows up. Everyone docks up. Instant safety whilst decisions/mobilisations are made on what kind of defense to stage.

I dont mean to say that local is some magic key that would topple Blocs.

I just used it as an example of how indirect changes can affect NS such that they chip away at some of the basis of Bloc stability, ergo, fragmenting it.

Without Local, Corps especially on the fringes of Blocs would be far more vulnerable to raids, especially in terms of relying on the Bloc to defend them. Makes the borders far more permeable and collapses the current intel chains, such that it would be possible for raids to penetrate deep into a Blocs territory before being detected.

TLDR: Local is a huge boon to NS safety, and hence stability. Removing it makes NS far more dangerous, ergo less stable.
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#66 - 2016-11-30 11:08:10 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
Stagnation leads to degeneration. Degeneration leads to weakness. Give them some time and they will fall like Goons. Like old Band of Brothers. Like many others.


Band of Brothers were asploded by a high level spai pressing butans.
Goons were swept by the biggest change to sov mechanics ever and an egomaniac pouring truckloads of RMT/gambling money into artificial enemies.
Who are the many others? Burnout and boredom are what usually causes turmoil, what's this rubbish about stagnation, degeneration and weakness?
Are you roleplaying? Or some some kind of chef that reads Nietzsche every day and it's wrecked your mind?




Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.

Atomic Virulent
Embargo.
#67 - 2016-12-01 03:08:57 UTC
Now that Rorqs can mine one one in a day expect this 'virulence' (see what I did there??? Eh, Eh???) to spread. Imagine Rancer titan gatecamps.
Salvos Rhoska
#68 - 2016-12-01 12:11:12 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:

Are you roleplaying? Or some some kind of chef that reads Nietzsche every day and it's wrecked your mind?


Dont hate on Nietzsche :(

Im sure he would have been an avid EVE player.