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BOWHEAD Tier 2 - The 'Baleen'
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SGT FUNYOUN
Elysian Space Navy - 1st Fleet
#1 - 2016-11-29 22:15:10 UTC  |  Edited by: SGT FUNYOUN
The 'BALEEN'

The Baleen would be a Tier 2 BLACKOPS enabled Capital Freighter, designed for carrying Fitted Ships through blockades and other hostile areas, and while it can go through High Sec... it is not at home in High Sec... it enjoys danger... it belongs in Wormholes and Null Sec where it can be used to its full potential. Designed for use in hostile zones to carry large numbers of fitted ships... means it needs to be able to survive at least a little longer than its High Sec sister ship frame it is built off of. To that end the hull and shield were boosted and the on-board Inertial Dampeners were boosted to make it turn and align faster at the cost of one of the Rigging Slots and a slower Capacitor Recharge Rate. Not only that, but to make it even more useful, any non-essential systems were gutted to make it little bigger inside as well so it can haul more and larger ships, and more cargo to support them as well.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

BALEEN:

Ore Freighter Bonus:
2% bonus to inertia modifier per level
5% bonus to ship maintenance array capacity per level

Role Bonus:
2% bonus to ship maintenance array capacity per level

Black Ops bonuses (per skill level):
5% bonus to ship inertia modifier
125% bonus to ship max velocity when using Cloaking Devices

Role Bonus:
• Can fit Covert Cynosural Field Generator and Covert Jump Portal Generator
• No targeting delay after Cloaking Device deactivation
• Cloak reactivation delay reduced to 5 seconds
50% reduction to effective distance traveled for jump fatigue


Slot layout: 1H, 4M, 3L, 2R; 0 turrets, 0 launchers
Fittings: 3000 PWG, 700 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 31000 / 21000 / 49500
Capacitor (amount / recharge) : 4900 / 255000
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / warp speed / align time): 105 / .0575 / 630000000 / 2.0 / 45.00s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 55.0km / 55 / 3
Capacity (cargo / ship maintenance array): 7500 / 1500000 (goes up to 2.1 something with ore freighter 5)
Sensor strength: 15
Signature radius: 1100


What do ya'll think?

Please... instead of flaming with unhelpful stuff like "that's stupid" and "you're and idiot" please kindly help with the math and the numbers... and maybe the description a bit as well please. If I gave it something that you feel would not fit the spirit of the Black Ops, like if I took Sig Radius or Scan Resolution or something and made it go the wrong way for a ship that is trying to be stealthy... please TELL ME... some of these figures work like golf scores it seems so I am not super familiar with what numbers would be good or any exact numerical values for the attributes... the only one I calculated was the cargo capacity because it was the only one that make sense...

... PLEASE KINDLY FEEL FREE TO CORRECT MY MATH. Thank you.

Anything else... flaming or anything else equally silly... please keep it to a minimum.

Thank you.




EDIT ----------------------------------------------------------------------- EDIT


{ Ok so... how about this? --------> }


The Baleen would be a Tier 2 Freighter, designed for carrying Fitted Ships through blockades and other hostile areas, and while it can go through High Sec... it is not at home in High Sec... it enjoys danger... it belongs in Wormholes and Null Sec where it can be used to its full potential. Designed for use in hostile zones to carry large numbers of fitted ships... means it needs to be able to survive at least a little longer than its High Sec sister ship frame it is built off of. To that end the hull and shield were boosted and the on-board Inertial Dampeners were boosted to make it turn and align faster at the cost of one of the Rigging Slots and a slower Capacitor Recharge Rate. Not only that, but to make it even more useful, any non-essential systems were gutted to make it little bigger inside as well so it can haul a little more cargo to support the ships it is hauling.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

BALEEN:

ORE Freighter bonuses (per skill level):
5% bonus to ship maintenance array capacity per level
5% bonus to inertia modifier per level

Role Bonus:
2% bonus to ship inertia modifier
2% bonus to ship maintenance array capacity per level
90% reduction in jump fatigue generation
75% Reduction in Targeting delay after Cloaking Device deactivation
Cloak reactivation delay reduced to 5 seconds


Slot layout: 1H, 4M, 4L, 2R; 0 turrets, 0 launchers
Fittings: 2500 PWG, 500 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 31000 / 21000 / 49500
Capacitor (amount / recharge) : 4900 / 255000
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / warp speed / align time): 105 / .0575 / 630000000 / 2.0 / 45.00s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 55.0km / 55 / 3
Capacity (cargo / ship maintenance array): 7500 / 750000 - 1000000 (goes up to 1.0 - 1.4 something with ore freighter 5)
Sensor strength: 15
Signature radius: 1100

*** EDITED ***

How's that? Better?
PopeUrban
El Expedicion
Flames of Exile
#2 - 2016-11-29 22:24:18 UTC
I see what you're going for here, but there's a really good reason that the only covops cloaky haulers aren't able to transport an entire fleet through a covops cyno.

Anything bigger than the current niche that is filled by blockade runners IMO simply removes too much risk from hauling.

As it is now a JF does essentially the job of this thing. It hauls a ton of stuff, and it uses a jump drive to get around camps. I wouldn't be opposed to a t2 bowhead that was just basically a JF for fitted ships, but carrying that much cargo, warping cloaked, and actually receiving a bonus from the cloak?

Its like you want to completely kill literally all other haulers.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2016-11-29 22:30:00 UTC
I think you need to learn what power projection means, friend.
PopeUrban
El Expedicion
Flames of Exile
#4 - 2016-11-29 22:39:45 UTC  |  Edited by: PopeUrban
Not to be totally negative though:

I DO like the idea of a dedicated "fleet anchor" covops ship that isn't a battleship. I just don't think a hauler is the way to go. Covops carriers with the covops portal get would be more appropriate. Just glassier covops carriers that can jump covops fleets would be cool and wouldn't break the entire game the way this would, and would have a more synergistic role with those fleets (covops fleet logi) without completely breaking force projection. The carrier version would be far easier to balance. Give it less fighter bandwidth and shittier reps or whatever so its objectively worse as both a carrier or FAX than the normal versions at the same price point, and let it fit a covops cloak and cyno/bridge generator.

Something something sneaking up on a fleet fight in cloaky glass carriers and having a tankier suprise cyno for teh suprisefleet.
SGT FUNYOUN
Elysian Space Navy - 1st Fleet
#5 - 2016-11-29 22:53:48 UTC  |  Edited by: SGT FUNYOUN
PopeUrban wrote:
I see what you're going for here, but there's a really good reason that the only covops cloaky haulers aren't able to transport an entire fleet through a covops cyno.

Anything bigger than the current niche that is filled by blockade runners IMO simply removes too much risk from hauling.

As it is now a JF does essentially the job of this thing. It hauls a ton of stuff, and it uses a jump drive to get around camps. I wouldn't be opposed to a t2 bowhead that was just basically a JF for fitted ships, but carrying that much cargo, warping cloaked, and actually receiving a bonus from the cloak?

Its like you want to completely kill literally all other haulers.



Ok, I see what you are saying yeah. Ok, how about just the Bowhead, with similar stats to what I put, but NOT cov-ops cloaky then? Obviously the math needs to be adjusted. :-P


Danika Princip wrote:
I think you need to learn what power projection means, friend.


Meaning? :-)
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#6 - 2016-11-29 23:22:48 UTC
Tougher freighters with jump drives have LESS capacity than t1 counter parts. You're probably looking for 750k m3 at all level 5 for its maintenance bay.

Not totally against the concept though.

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SGT FUNYOUN
Elysian Space Navy - 1st Fleet
#7 - 2016-11-29 23:46:44 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
Tougher freighters with jump drives have LESS capacity than t1 counter parts. You're probably looking for 750k m3 at all level 5 for its maintenance bay.

Not totally against the concept though.


750K would be pathetic when the Tier 1 STARTS at 1.4 Mil m3... Maybe 1mil M3 so long as it has faster speed, better agility, and can cloak up.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#8 - 2016-11-30 00:08:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Daichi Yamato
Look at freighters and t2 freighters for a comparison. You're looking at about a third. So even 750k is generous.

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SGT FUNYOUN
Elysian Space Navy - 1st Fleet
#9 - 2016-11-30 00:21:52 UTC  |  Edited by: SGT FUNYOUN
SGT FUNYOUN wrote:
The 'BALEEN'

The Baleen would be a Tier 2 BLACKOPS enabled Capital Freighter, designed for carrying Fitted Ships through blockades and other hostile areas, and while it can go through High Sec... it is not at home in High Sec... it enjoys danger... it belongs in Wormholes and Null Sec where it can be used to its full potential. Designed for use in hostile zones to carry large numbers of fitted ships... means it needs to be able to survive at least a little longer than its High Sec sister ship frame it is built off of. To that end the hull and shield were boosted and the on-board Inertial Dampeners were boosted to make it turn and align faster at the cost of one of the Rigging Slots and a slower Capacitor Recharge Rate. Not only that, but to make it even more useful, any non-essential systems were gutted to make it little bigger inside as well so it can haul more and larger ships, and more cargo to support them as well.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

BALEEN:

Ore Freighter Bonus:
2% bonus to inertia modifier per level
5% bonus to ship maintenance array capacity per level

Role Bonus:
2% bonus to ship maintenance array capacity per level

Black Ops bonuses (per skill level):
5% bonus to ship inertia modifier
125% bonus to ship max velocity when using Cloaking Devices

Role Bonus:
• Can fit Covert Cynosural Field Generator and Covert Jump Portal Generator
• No targeting delay after Cloaking Device deactivation
• Cloak reactivation delay reduced to 5 seconds
50% reduction to effective distance traveled for jump fatigue


Slot layout: 1H, 4M, 3L, 2R; 0 turrets, 0 launchers
Fittings: 3000 PWG, 700 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 31000 / 21000 / 49500
Capacitor (amount / recharge) : 4900 / 255000
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / warp speed / align time): 105 / .0575 / 630000000 / 2.0 / 45.00s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 55.0km / 55 / 3
Capacity (cargo / ship maintenance array): 7500 / 1500000 (goes up to 2.1 something with ore freighter 5)
Sensor strength: 15
Signature radius: 1100


What do ya'll think?

Please... instead of flaming with unhelpful stuff like "that's stupid" and "you're and idiot" please kindly help with the math and the numbers... and maybe the description a bit as well please. If I gave it something that you feel would not fit the spirit of the Black Ops, like if I took Sig Radius or Scan Resolution or something and made it go the wrong way for a ship that is trying to be stealthy... please TELL ME... some of these figures work like golf scores it seems so I am not super familiar with what numbers would be good or any exact numerical values for the attributes... the only one I calculated was the cargo capacity because it was the only one that make sense...

... PLEASE KINDLY FEEL FREE TO CORRECT MY MATH. Thank you.

Anything else... flaming or anything else equally silly... please keep it to a minimum.

Thank you.


EDIT ----------------------------------------------------------------------- EDIT


{ Ok so... how about this? --------> }


The Baleen would be a Tier 2 Freighter, designed for carrying Fitted Ships through blockades and other hostile areas, and while it can go through High Sec... it is not at home in High Sec... it enjoys danger... it belongs in Wormholes and Null Sec where it can be used to its full potential. Designed for use in hostile zones to carry large numbers of fitted ships... means it needs to be able to survive at least a little longer than its High Sec sister ship frame it is built off of. To that end the hull and shield were boosted and the on-board Inertial Dampeners were boosted to make it turn and align faster at the cost of one of the Rigging Slots and a slower Capacitor Recharge Rate. Not only that, but to make it even more useful, any non-essential systems were gutted to make it little bigger inside as well so it can haul a little more cargo to support the ships it is hauling.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

BALEEN:

ORE Freighter bonuses (per skill level):
5% bonus to ship maintenance array capacity per level
5% bonus to inertia modifier per level

Role Bonus:
2% bonus to ship inertia modifier
2% bonus to ship maintenance array capacity per level
90% reduction in jump fatigue generation
75% Reduction in Targeting delay after Cloaking Device deactivation
Cloak reactivation delay reduced to 5 seconds


Slot layout: 1H, 4M, 4L, 2R; 0 turrets, 0 launchers
Fittings: 2500 PWG, 500 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 31000 / 21000 / 49500
Capacitor (amount / recharge) : 4900 / 255000
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / warp speed / align time): 105 / .0575 / 630000000 / 2.0 / 45.00s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 55.0km / 55 / 3
Capacity (cargo / ship maintenance array): 7500 / 750000 - 1000000 (goes up to 1.0 - 1.4 something with ore freighter 5)
Sensor strength: 15
Signature radius: 1100

*** EDITED ***

How's that? Better?
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#10 - 2016-11-30 00:23:03 UTC
With the new capital modules we got, a capital micro-jump drive would solve some of the problems, maybe.

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SGT FUNYOUN
Elysian Space Navy - 1st Fleet
#11 - 2016-11-30 00:24:32 UTC  |  Edited by: SGT FUNYOUN
Daichi Yamato wrote:
Look at freighters and t2 freighters for a comparison. You're looking at about a third. So even 750k is generous.


I suppose if the bonuses are 7% then it might compensate for that yeah... ok, maybe yeah. Something to consider. :-)

elitatwo wrote:
With the new capital modules we got, a capital micro-jump drive would solve some of the problems, maybe.


Mmmm... maybe. But that would not have anything to do with the cloaking or make it more agile or faster really.
Dark Lord Trump
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2016-11-30 01:49:21 UTC
What i want to know is how I can level up a role bonus. The whole point of role bonus is that it's a fixed number.

I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#13 - 2016-11-30 06:27:04 UTC
At the end of the day, CCP will finalise the numbers. Just focus on selling the functions and utilities.

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2016-11-30 08:42:50 UTC
Just stopping in because I saw the suggested name and I wanna say LOL that is awesome.

Beluga would be cool too imo

maybe sperm

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FireFrenzy
Cynosural Samurai
#15 - 2016-11-30 09:12:29 UTC
i will take "this is a carrier for 25m isk"