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Is CVA the only alliance who operate NRDS??

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Rocker Will
Rockstar federation
#1 - 2016-11-29 17:15:56 UTC
been operating in CVA space for a while now, was hoping maybe to move on somewhere find new opportunities, make some sales, problem is i cant seem to find anything on alliances operating NRDS policy, is CVA really the only 1?

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Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2016-11-29 17:18:01 UTC
confirming that it's the only one i know.
in null sec.


you may find some in highsec though
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#3 - 2016-11-29 17:32:43 UTC
Technically, it's the whole Provibloc, so it's not just CVA. However, they are the only current sov. holding alliances that operates on NRDS - there were the Freeport people who AFAIK did, and a few others, but they've folded over time. You may find some local groups in both low- and NPC null-sec who are NRDS, but I am not knowedlegable enough to help you with those areas.
Rocker Will
Rockstar federation
#4 - 2016-11-29 18:55:07 UTC
bummer, ok thanks guys.

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Memphis Baas
#5 - 2016-11-29 19:01:07 UTC
NRDS is a pain to maintain.

Sure, it's nice for you as a neutral to be able to operate in 0.0, but from the point of view of the alliance it's a nightmare. It's like high-sec; you never know who's an enemy, any neutral can be an enemy.

Nice thing about NBSI, where all neutrals are treated like enemies, is that it's very easy to enforce, and it's very clear who's enemy and who is friend.

For NRDS, they have to maintain lists of "bad" people and groups and use the standings system to try to tell friend from foe. There's a lot of headache and overhead work.

Rocker Will
Rockstar federation
#6 - 2016-11-29 19:18:10 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
NRDS is a pain to maintain.


For NRDS, they have to maintain lists of "bad" people and groups and use the standings system to try to tell friend from foe. There's a lot of headache and overhead work.


probably gonna get worse with clone states, but the local in the area tend to stick together, and keep each other informed so not so bad, soon as 1 player gets attacked you all basically know who to shoot or watch.

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Kojee
x13
Pandemic Horde
#7 - 2016-11-29 22:48:55 UTC
We operate NRDS in Rancer.







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Matthias Ancaladron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2016-11-30 02:23:51 UTC
Whats nrds?
Senshi Feixing
ENL Holdings
#9 - 2016-11-30 03:25:33 UTC
NRDS is "Not Red Don't Shoot", referring to the standings in the game.

As for CVA being the only one, yes. NRDS is an absolute NIGHTMARE to establish. It is also a huge liability, as most regions simply are not organized enough to protect against roams and hostile players.

NBSI acts are more of a deterrent than an actual policy. 90% players entering NBSI space will survive, and possibly even score a few kills, but the fact that you are looked upon as a hostile and will eventually be killed prevents squatters and random newbro groups from trolling NBSI regions (The drones, for example).
Brigadine Ferathine
Presumed Dead Enterprises
Against ALL Authorities.
#10 - 2016-11-30 03:34:51 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
NRDS is a pain to maintain.

Sure, it's nice for you as a neutral to be able to operate in 0.0, but from the point of view of the alliance it's a nightmare. It's like high-sec; you never know who's an enemy, any neutral can be an enemy.

Nice thing about NBSI, where all neutrals are treated like enemies, is that it's very easy to enforce, and it's very clear who's enemy and who is friend.

For NRDS, they have to maintain lists of "bad" people and groups and use the standings system to try to tell friend from foe. There's a lot of headache and overhead work.


CCP doesn't help this by giving the in game browser the axe and refusing to up the limit on corp and alliance standing marks.
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
Dreamweb Industries
#11 - 2016-11-30 06:14:31 UTC
CODE. is NRDS, even though all those who don't have a mining permit are red by default.

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
#12 - 2016-11-30 12:28:18 UTC
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri wrote:
CODE. is NRDS, even though all those who don't have a mining permit are red by default.


I thought you were NSSI...

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Memphis Baas
#13 - 2016-11-30 13:04:05 UTC
Matthias Ancaladron wrote:
Whats nrds?


NRDS, NBSI, NPSI are acronyms that indicate how an alliance, fleet, or group handles outsiders.

It refers to the fact that you can open People and Places and add other people, player corporations, and player alliances as contacts with red (enemy) tags or blue (friendly) tags. And then the red or blue tags will show up by every pilot's name in all the chat channels and in the Overview list.

So any particular player that enters your space in 0.0 is tagged as:

- red tag = enemy
- neutral
- blue tag = friend / ally

So, NBSI - not blue, shoot it, means that the alliance will shoot anyone who is not blue, meaning they'll shoot enemies and also assume that any neutral who tries to enter is actually an enemy. Most alliances have this policy because it makes it really easy to keep their area secure: they defend the gates / entryways into their system (the term is they "camp the pipes") and kill everyone who's not in the alliance, basically.

NRDS - not red, don't shoot, means they only shoot confirmed enemies. In order for an alliance to enforce this rule, they have to put a lot of effort into maintaining the People and Places list of who's red. For Providence, for example, if you commit piracy in the area (attack the locals), then you get placed on the red list. Also, the space is vulnerable because the gates are open, and they're relying on patrols and defense fleets forming up to respond to an invasion by enemy PVP'ers.

NPSI - not PURPLE shoot it, refers to the fact that, if you're in a fleet, everyone else in the fleet has a purple tag. So the fleet has the aim to shoot anyone who ISN'T in the fleet, "kill everyone" mode, even if they're your corpmates or alliance friends. Typically such fleets are "for fun" and the attacks are forgiven the next day, because this is a game and spaceship explosions are fun. If you're in a NPSI fleet, don't **** off the fleet commander because he'll kick you out of the fleet.

Often, NPSI fleets will go to Providence, because the NRDS defenses make it easier to enter the area and get a few kills before the defense team catches you and wipes you out.
Dragon Outlaw
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2016-11-30 17:33:42 UTC
NRDS only means that neuts have the chance to shoot at you 1st. Then they die. Later we set them KOS.

It's not that complicated and far from being a nightmare.
Eternity Mistseeker
Renegades of Eve
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#15 - 2016-11-30 21:26:48 UTC
NRDS is not that difficult to work with.
Atomic Virulent
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2016-12-01 02:58:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Atomic Virulent
No. They aren't even NRDS. You'll show up, get yellowboxed and ask, 'Hey, wtf guys?!?!?'

And they'll reply.. 'Oh, you are on our arbitrary KOS list which has virtually no regulation other than random Provi-diks placing or removing players on/from the list.' Usually just raging nerds with an alt you probably wrecked or made a fool of in a local somewhere at some point in time. Nerd justice.

Also, they don't allow you to do anything actually worth doing such as carrier ratting. But there are other NRDS entities that will actually live up to their claims and will allow you to fly whatever you can fly, fit and afford.

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Memphis Baas
#17 - 2016-12-01 03:44:15 UTC
It's NRDS not NRBJ.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2016-12-01 14:18:02 UTC
Not sov-holding that I know of, but Signal Cartel is NRDS I believe.

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Deck Cadelanne
CAStabouts
#19 - 2016-12-01 15:07:22 UTC
FWIW, we fly NPSI - if you are not in fleet, you are a target.

We don't do "blue" to anyone.

I suppose you could call it a more extreme version of the much more common NBSI ethic?

I did spend time in Providence, in a minor Provibloc alliance, when I first started in Eve. Just enough to recognize and appreciate how much work went into maintaining those KOS lists and all the intel channels etc. NBSI or NPSI are *so* much easier.

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Eternity Mistseeker
Renegades of Eve
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#20 - 2016-12-01 15:35:25 UTC
Atomic Virulent wrote:
No. They aren't even NRDS. You'll show up, get yellowboxed and ask, 'Hey, wtf guys?!?!?'

And they'll reply.. 'Oh, you are on our arbitrary KOS list which has virtually no regulation other than random Provi-diks placing or removing players on/from the list.' Usually just raging nerds with an alt you probably wrecked or made a fool of in a local somewhere at some point in time. Nerd justice.

If you were red, then got shot at, how is that not following NRDS?

http://kos.cva-eve.org

That is the list. Try it. Put your name in, if it is not found, repeat with corp, and if necessary alliance. There are some exceptions, if you are in an NPC corp then the last player corp is used. If any appear as KOS then try talking in the CVA diplo channel.

NRDS is not that difficult to work with.

Atomic Virulent wrote:
Also, they don't allow you to do anything actually worth doing such as carrier ratting.

What?

Atomic Virulent wrote:
But there are other NRDS entities that will actually live up to their claims and will allow you to fly whatever you can fly, fit and afford.

Help the OP out and name one.
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