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PROPOSAL: How to Fix Drones

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Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#1 - 2016-11-25 22:44:46 UTC
Right now Drones are always heavily targetted by NPC's. Here is the soluton:

1. Give drones rig slots and fittings. Possibly implant slots. This way they could add some HP to make them last more than seconds and be useful for PVE.

2. Increase their speed so they can return to drone bay quicker. Will need their tracking improving to make up for this increased speed as it wouldnt be fair to miss hit things just because the drones need to be faster to avoid getting destroyed so easily.

3. Thats it.

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Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2016-11-25 22:48:24 UTC
ehi op.........

there are already mods in game that do those things you need only to find a balanced fit for you ship.... aka... get gud.... and don't afk rat Lol
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2016-11-25 22:58:25 UTC
What we really need is a drone warp drive.
So my Ishtar could stay safely docked while I send my drones on a mission a few jumps away and just watch the ticks in my wallet- all the more time for ship spinning.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#4 - 2016-11-25 23:41:17 UTC
Welcome back _o/.

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Valkyrie Harkonnen
Doomheim
#5 - 2016-11-25 23:47:44 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
What we really need is a drone warp drive.
So my Ishtar could stay safely docked while I send my drones on a mission a few jumps away and just watch the ticks in my wallet- all the more time for ship spinning.



hahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahah x 99999 like the other guy did in the other thread.


LOL that would be awesome, but only allowed for us 2 okay?

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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#6 - 2016-11-26 00:53:27 UTC
They just need to keep them from stopping dead in the water every time their target pops while they wait for the command they got seconds before to finally kick in. That and making it so that even manually issued commands didn't take an eternity to get picked up and executed would be fantastic. Making them more consistently follow passive commands, such as focus fire, would just be icing on the cake, but I'll suggest it too just for ***** and giggles.

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ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#7 - 2016-11-26 03:48:30 UTC
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Lugh Crow-Slave
#8 - 2016-11-26 04:47:51 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
drones are finally in a relatively balanced place and no longer overwhelmingly dominate the meta let's undo that

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The 16.8km Bubble
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#9 - 2016-11-26 06:24:53 UTC
The only changes id like to see for drones are either drones that work in wings like fighters or geck sized e-war drones.

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Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#10 - 2016-11-26 13:05:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Zan Shiro
Its only a few rat races that are goofy on drone killing imo. Blood raiders imo are really bad for this.


Now angels...man I have had heavies dangling around 50 km hopping new targets the whole mission even on new wave spawns.

Gursista are pretty fair in this area.


TBH besides bloods I think its the EM shooters who hate the drones the most.

So easy fix here is get the other drones AI around say gurista. They hit the drones once in while...but aren't going overboard on the aggro shift.


HP fixes game already, the navy drones. IMO the loss of damage from not using racial drone skills is not that bad. And usually offset by the fact they can stay on the filed longer. More than once I have seen the red start to grow...and push it till they kill target before recalling to shake the aggro. Durability 5, Rattler bonus to heavy EHP...you can leave them out a bit even under fire.

Speed fixers in game as well. Drone navigation computer. Gets heavies flying with some speed imo. I only run heavy drone rattler so use and see this often. I hear tale 2 of these and some drones you hit a small "undocumented software feature". They move so fast on the recall they overshoot "dock range" on the ship. They can't go back in the ship the result. So they fly back, too fast and overshoot again. and do this again and again and again. Never seen this bug personally since just run the 1.

Slots and implants would be op for drones really. Implants covered in another thread. and the grist super drone say hi....we'd like us some of that. Especially navies....the EHP would skyrocket really.
Conrad Makbure
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2016-11-26 16:23:47 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
Right now Drones are always heavily targetted by NPC's. Here is the soluton:

1. Give drones rig slots and fittings. Possibly implant slots. This way they could add some HP to make them last more than seconds and be useful for PVE.

2. Increase their speed so they can return to drone bay quicker. Will need their tracking improving to make up for this increased speed as it wouldnt be fair to miss hit things just because the drones need to be faster to avoid getting destroyed so easily.

3. Thats it.



This thread has come up before, but I say post it again and again, because drones need much help now. With respect to this:

1 - Confirming rig slots/fit slots would be an excellent idea for people who can only use T1 drones. This would also help T2 drones come back into balance. Right now it's all about the Gecko for targets larger than destroyer sig radius, whether you want to believe it or not; medium drones? What medium drones? Scouts for smaller targets.

2 - Increasing speed can be fixed with rig/fits as this would do a lot to help drones.

3 - Why is the UI still so bad to this day? Our drone UI is a folder browser???? Still??? It looks like some placeholder system from an alpha build. Something like that is good to reorganize drone group composition, but that's it. Drone builds have lots of free keybind real estate on the UI, how about we drag/drop into one of the F-key slots? something????
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#12 - 2016-11-27 05:32:11 UTC
Funnily enough i ran worlds collide today with a rattler and a domi in tow. WOW my drones got hammered. Lost three heavies and the rattlers gecko (with cruiser ehp) was put into structure despite only being sent 12km away. One group of frigs webbed the rattler while another group scrammed and webbed the gecko. All types of rats, battleships included, frequently went for combat drones (never sentries) and i had a lot of drone managing to do. These were angel rats btw.

New AI or not? Good fun!

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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#13 - 2016-11-27 16:24:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Donnachadh
Lady Spank wrote:
Right now Drones are always heavily targetted by NPC's. Here is the soluton:

1. Give drones rig slots and fittings. Possibly implant slots. This way they could add some HP to make them last more than seconds and be useful for PVE.

2. Increase their speed so they can return to drone bay quicker. Will need their tracking improving to make up for this increased speed as it wouldnt be fair to miss hit things just because the drones need to be faster to avoid getting destroyed so easily.

3. Thats it.


1. - just say no. Drone agro was changed in part to curb the AFK farming and we do not want to have that back.

2. Not a bad idea if done properly. Higher warp so they get to and from targets and a small increase to the orbit speed.

All this crazy complaining about heavies and death and what not. Try sentries they work well and they are quick and easy to recall if / when they take damage enough to be concerned about.

Use remote reps while they are out. Ya I know have to be close to them for it to work and you actually have to be actively playing the game and all that stuff but what the hell.

Daichi Yamato wrote:
New AI or not? Good fun!

I agree and this one leads back to another part of the discussions about PvE content. Everyone complains about it being boring, well it is not so boring and now everyone is complaining about they want the old boring AFK crap back.

Yes I do run missions, yes I USED to run them with heavies and Gecko, now I run them with lights and sentries instead because of the agro changes. As the PvP crowd is always telling people adapt to the changing circumstances you are faced with, or not and lose a lot of drones the choice is yours.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2016-11-28 16:30:43 UTC
Make them more responsive and remove their AI. If it's supposed to be a complete supported weapon system, it should act like one. Change the interface to something like guns instead of a folder browser and make it responsive. No more sending the same command over and over because they seem to be stuck.

The only AI they should have is to orbit the last wreck they created when they create is so they don't stand in space free to be shot. Beside that, all target selection should be done by the player.
Tabyll Altol
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2016-11-29 08:08:55 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
Right now Drones are always heavily targetted by NPC's. Here is the soluton:

1. Give drones rig slots and fittings. Possibly implant slots. This way they could add some HP to make them last more than seconds and be useful for PVE.

2. Increase their speed so they can return to drone bay quicker. Will need their tracking improving to make up for this increased speed as it wouldnt be fair to miss hit things just because the drones need to be faster to avoid getting destroyed so easily.

3. Thats it.


Oh your afk farming is not as good as it used to be.

Get over it !

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