EVE General Discussion

I think the big difference is this: We're critical, analyse proposals and evaluate them on their merits and the dev.s prior shown abilities. We're not fanboys, rather the opposite.
I didn't expect someone with your intellect to be able to grasp the finer points, though. That you know close to nothing about EVE, its history, its players, or even the general trends of the MMO game world, has been made painfully obvious. You replacea real argument with "cute" and "fanboy". That might work (Though I doubt it) in other games, and not at all on the EVE forums.

If they manage to actually deliver something which can MMO dogfight on the same scale as EVE, that might actually kill EVE. It's pretty unlikely they will be able to deliver it. Only thing is, when I first saw the kickstarter years ago, it talked about a game you could play both on and offline, and I think it talked about your offline progress translating into progress in the persistent universe, which means it would have committed a cardinal sin in Internet multiplayer games: trusting the client. I don't think Roberts quite understood the law of diminishing returns and how it applies to game development: someone may have 300M to throw at a game's development, but it's not going to be 100x the game of a game which only took 3M.

What that project *did* accomplish was to get people seriously thinking about stick-and-throttle games in space again. About the biggest commercial one was IL-2 Sturmovik (not in space). Another interesting one I know of was open-source Vegastrike, which has some seriously impressive capabilities, but is a pain to edit (and the devs have lives now). There was a fan total conversion of Freespace 2 called Wing Commander Saga, which was a nice linear game with a couple of serious random difficulty spikes.

Dumb people use insults they see other people use without knowing what they mean. I think this guy saw his older 13 year old brother use "fanboy" as an insult once, and wants to feel like one of the big kids too. That's really the only way the babbling makes sense.

in an interview after alpha, Seagull mentioned expanding the cluster, so something is still there. Though at eve vegas i asked her 'i have a question about the 2014 vision' and her automatic response was 'is this about player build star gates?' it wasn;t. but after i asked my question and moved on i thought 'damn, now i want to know what she was going to say' lol

Players buy Svipuls..... We have no idea how ROI works.

The big thing with walking in stations is that it was packaged up with some very pay to win conversations that where had internally in CCP. Gold ammo and the like for real money.

WIS is a casualty of the community of EVE making a very direct statement against pay to win elements in the game, and CCP course correcting to a place where the players are happy.

Anyone who says WIS is not content is full of it. There are tons of systems in EVE no one interacts directly with every single one of them. But if people are going to have any reason to interact with WIS it needs to not be controlled by the NEX.

WIS could have been cool but we will probably never see it. Stopped holding my breath a year ago, and look at me I am a Space Barbie.

I've still never seen a reason for WIS that isn't already fulfilled by CQ. Anything you *could* do there would be better done through an interface window, making WIS completely unnecessary. A slower more terrible way to do things. Even games that do it semi successfully (thinking warframe's relays) it would work better if it was done through menus.

People aren't against WIS really.

They're against WIS taking priority over the spaceship game when the spaceship game is still in need of modernization.

Most people are just fine with WIS being a thing that exists, but not being a thing CCP expends effort on when other spaceship game things (structure revamp, certain balance things) are in bad shape.

There is some hope for WIS fans though. We are rapidly approaching the end of the known bits of Seagull's master plan. In fact we're like 2 or 3 sets of structures and some module tiericide away. You could see us reach the end of that master plan within a year at the current rate of development, depending on how involved the mechanics for "beyond player controlled gates" are.

That, combined with all of the existing art assets from the old WIS prototypes, DUST, and Legion/Nova which they still have people working on could realistically spell a future for WIS as early as maybe 2018. by that point the backlog of "**** that is still really broken about EVE" looks to be wrapped up and they've got a substantial pile of assets to spit and polish for all the the functionality that has been added to the graphics engine since Incarna.

Oh yes, at least something like a base on planet, with market, and stuff. Visitable with Nova characters too. Like a common lobby. With strippers and blackjack. Sights of alien nature intermingled with a hazard den. There is so much to explore in that direction.

It had a lot to offer, primarily for social interactions, but also for exploration, as a new module. Gambling with ISK as only one of them interactions. Pleasure hub all the way.

I thought The Donald trumps ... no ?