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Is there a ship that can do l4 easily and dont cost 1bil+

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Alasdan Helminthauge
AirHogs
Hogs Collective
#41 - 2016-11-28 17:16:50 UTC
also thanks to CODE for destroying these blingy fis and thus keeping the demand not reduced.
Salvos Rhoska
#42 - 2016-11-28 19:31:21 UTC
Alasdan Helminthauge wrote:
also thanks to CODE for destroying these blingy fis and thus keeping the demand not reduced.


For miner modules, yes.

As to L4 bling fits, I dont know the specific details, but I gather its very hard to destroy a BS witb bling fit in HS before CONCORD wrecks your party.

The genius of the guy I was watching, is to tempt them into aggressing first, after you steal from their wrecks, which cuts CONCORD out of the loop.

Im increasingly chafed by bling fit BS flying around in HS, grinding/farming L4s with impunity with no risk...

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Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd
Nulli Secunda
#43 - 2016-11-28 19:39:16 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Myriad Blaze wrote:


My current HS L4 mission runner comes with a price tag of perhaps 1.6 bn ISK. Which is probably what you would consider too blingy. Personally I think 400m ISK mods are ok on a 1.2 bn ISK ship. And the tank is strong enough to make a gank attempt at least non trivial and probably unprofitable, especially with Bastion running.


Ok, I see what you mean, 1/4 module value makes sense for a consistent earner shipin relative safety,
I cant fault you for that, infact its great you have some restraint. More than many.

But even that makes me grit my teeth and consider figuring out how to hunt you.
Not cos of your ship kill, or tears, which I dont care about, (which is no profit to me) but that much potential module value.

I cant speak to the profit or mechanics of a gank, but seeing these bling builds/values flying around in HS with impunity just somehow irks me. Its irresponsible and unnecessary. Too easy for too little risk.

The more I read these L4 farm threads, the more I feel this way.

Im not saying people shouldnt be able to fit this way, but I am saying I may soon start considering how to take that bling off you and the many others flying like you.

I think I like your attitude, it's very EVE. Big smile
Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#44 - 2016-11-28 20:15:30 UTC
Kosomot wrote:
Not cost a billion sure.

I fly a dominix for lvl 4 sentry sniper.

couple hundred million maybe 225.

t2 fix, t2 drones (t2 sentries changed my Mission Life).

slow as hell and you look like a shoe but works really well.

and yes any BS fitted with appropriate skills gets the job done.

and it doesn't have to be cap stable if your smart.

or if you like t3's ...well then you are getting closer to a bill however way more fun than a BS.



This plus watch TV, play poker, play Civ5, or explore a wormhole on another account while the Domi does its thing.
Sweet Adamas
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2016-11-28 20:55:35 UTC
Gank fit nightmare

But it is overkill.
Voxinian
#46 - 2016-11-28 22:09:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Voxinian
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Alasdan Helminthauge wrote:
also thanks to CODE for destroying these blingy fis and thus keeping the demand not reduced.


For miner modules, yes.

As to L4 bling fits, I dont know the specific details, but I gather its very hard to destroy a BS witb bling fit in HS before CONCORD wrecks your party.

The genius of the guy I was watching, is to tempt them into aggressing first, after you steal from their wrecks, which cuts CONCORD out of the loop.

Im increasingly chafed by bling fit BS flying around in HS, grinding/farming L4s with impunity with no risk...

As you can see, I endorse CODE and sell licenses in my sig, as well as Speshul license!


This is really a tactic done against new unexperienced players. I havent seen a 'visitor' in missions for many years trying that stuff, it would make me giggle if they would.

Kill rights is the most likely awnser to pop a bling BS in HS.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#47 - 2016-11-28 23:29:30 UTC
I've done level 4 missions in an Assault Frigate, as well as a Battlecruiser.

Heck, not even a battleship cost me 1b. I don't think I hit that mark until I used a faction battleship with faction modules.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#48 - 2016-11-29 00:00:29 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
No offence, and I dont mean to derail thread, but there is something that chafes me the wrong way about flying 1bil ships in HS for L4s.

Yes, I get that everyone plays in the sandbox in their own way.
Yes, I get HS is "safe", and L4s are profitable, grindable if you have a system, even better when blitzed.
Yes, I get that PvE farming in null sov is even more "safe" and profitable.

Iwas watching a streamer run salvage/loot Worms in HS with Orca boost, just waiting for some entitled HS L4 farmer to engage.
He stole tags off wrecks and salvaged the rest. Good isk.
If he was engaged, he orbitted close, immune, ans scramming.
The he gave an ultima5um, pay ransom and abandon ship of I will destroy you.

Hed turn on neuts and destroy active tanks so either the NPC spawns0 fi nishes him, or drones etc whittle him down.
If they agreed ro ransom, hed then scram the capsule too, and destroy that too if possible. Cos. Then occupy the abandoned ship and fly it off to add to his collection in a nearby station.

Plus the Killright came into play as either transferable to an ally to aggress a target too big to deal with alone, or for re-sale.

I found this heartening. I think I got the whole process, but I might be wrong on parts of it,

Flying insanly bling ships in HS to farm L4s is necessarily mitigated. Tbh, I wish it was even moreso.
The NS situa5ion is a different matter for another thread.
Focus your isk/sp on the right ship, not a bling ship.

But yeah. Bling L4 grinding in HS is a cancer. Dont do it with more than you need to complete.
Keep it modules at a bare minimum. The isk value of fits of HS L4 mission runners makes me pull my hair out (cos I dont have a setup to exploit them, yet...) Co pletely insane.

I guess my point, against my own interest as someone who provides the bling modules to market, is DONT use them in HS. Dont believe or regard the bling fits that shave a minute or two off completion. Its like walking around with a Rolex and gold teeth in a bad neighborhood. And yes, HS is a bad neighborhood, worse than NS in many ways.Also never, ever, engage someone looting your wrecks in HS. Let them have them.


First off, what you described relies on the mission runner making a huge mistake and engaging the ninja who is almost always bait. If you are actually blitzing missions you should almost never see ninjas to begin with as you are in and out of missions faster than they can scan and warp in. Or at the very least are in and out much faster than other easier targets in system. Also if you do see a ninja typically right clicking and abandoning all the wrecks gets them to warp out rather quickly as they know you won't shoot them. Encouraging them to the free loot in local probably helps but usually they are gone before I think to do that. I didn't want that loot anyways, which is kinda the whole point of blitzing.

This leaves us with suicide ganks. For the most part prices have crashed so much pretty much all fits should be under 1bil now. Avoid officer loot and deadspace invluns and you are mostly safe. a few 100m in faction damage mods have been pretty standard for years now. This is all about your isk:ehp ratio. Also consider how much of the value is locked up in the hull/rigs compared to the modules. My billion isk cnr has over half the value in ship hull plus t2 rigs, and a several 100mil in faction bcus. And any marauder hull will break a bil, but you can get by with really cheap fittings and rock a ton of EHP.

Of course I wouldn't put it past code to take 20+ alpha cattys and warp in on the first ship they scan and gank it every 20 mins, and in that case you are just playing the odds of not getting caught by a random gank. This also goes back to the point about bltizing, you should be completing missions fast enough that your odds of getting hit by a random gank should be very low.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#49 - 2016-11-29 00:45:42 UTC
Jake Warbird wrote:
Surprised no one mentioned the Navy Scorpion. Or have they changed the resist bonuses to something else?


L4 missions are mostly about DPS, DPS and more DPS. Resist bonuses on the hull are a waste when you could get weapon bonuses instead.

I have been literally levelling my Raven since day one. When it comes to easy-mode it doesn't get much easier than cruise Raven Navy Issue, T2 tank, Caldari Navy Ballistic Controls. MWD or MJD depending on the mission.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#50 - 2016-11-29 00:48:02 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
My beloved bog standard Dominix with mjd and sentry drones.

No need to buy ammo.

Virtually no cap usage and brutally effective.


I love the Domi and Rattlesnake for this reason. Sentry DPS maxes out at about 780 or so doesn't it? My Rattlesnake gets about 1400 combined, while my Raven pushes 1100 with fury.

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Alasdan Helminthauge
AirHogs
Hogs Collective
#51 - 2016-11-29 01:13:04 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
As to L4 bling fits, I dont know the specific details, but I gather its very hard to destroy a BS witb bling fit in HS before CONCORD wrecks your party.


Once one of my corp mate got his blingy nightmare alphaed by 14 thrashers, lost 1.3 bil and dropped 500 mil.
I also know CODE hunting incursion blingy ships. Once on my way back from incursion, I saw a ring of destroyers, at least 30 of them. I'm sure thats enough to take down any incursion bs even in an unprimed 1.0 system. (luckily I was just in a noob hyperion, and they didnt bother on me.)
Also search Uedama on zkillboard, CODE always gank passing blingy bs there with stealth bombers, and they usually succced.
Iain Cariaba
#52 - 2016-11-29 02:07:54 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:
Surprised no one mentioned the Navy Scorpion. Or have they changed the resist bonuses to something else?


L4 missions are mostly about DPS, DPS and more DPS. Resist bonuses on the hull are a waste when you could get weapon bonuses instead.

I have been literally levelling my Raven since day one. When it comes to easy-mode it doesn't get much easier than cruise Raven Navy Issue, T2 tank, Caldari Navy Ballistic Controls. MWD or MJD depending on the mission.

It does get easier. Golem.
Iain Cariaba
#53 - 2016-11-29 02:14:46 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
As to L4 bling fits, I dont know the specific details, but I gather its very hard to destroy a BS witb bling fit in HS before CONCORD wrecks your party.

It's actually quite easy to pop a mission battleship, but it does take some knowledge. Most mission runners don't omni-tank, so all you really need to do is use damage they're not resisting. A half a dozen 500 DPS catas aren't going to knock down someone in a serpentis or guristas mission, but if they're running angels or blood raiders they're toast.
Dyllan Ybrex
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2016-11-29 02:21:01 UTC
Valkyrie Harkonnen wrote:
Considering Ship+Fitting?


It's really a matter of skills and knowledge. If you know the missions and have the right skills, just about any battleship will do.

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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2016-11-29 02:45:54 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:
Surprised no one mentioned the Navy Scorpion. Or have they changed the resist bonuses to something else?


L4 missions are mostly about DPS, DPS and more DPS. Resist bonuses on the hull are a waste when you could get weapon bonuses instead.

I have been literally levelling my Raven since day one. When it comes to easy-mode it doesn't get much easier than cruise Raven Navy Issue, T2 tank, Caldari Navy Ballistic Controls. MWD or MJD depending on the mission.

I get that. I think DPS-tank is the best tank as well, but given that OP is new and asked for 'safe' specifically and not necessarily 'quicker' thought a Navy Scorp could be that net.

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Voxinian
#56 - 2016-11-29 02:47:06 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
As to L4 bling fits, I dont know the specific details, but I gather its very hard to destroy a BS witb bling fit in HS before CONCORD wrecks your party.

It's actually quite easy to pop a mission battleship, but it does take some knowledge. Most mission runners don't omni-tank, so all you really need to do is use damage they're not resisting. A half a dozen 500 DPS catas aren't going to knock down someone in a serpentis or guristas mission, but if they're running angels or blood raiders they're toast.

And thats why you use shield rigs with a PvE BS (for omni resistance)... People keep saying that a good PvE boat is about DPS. I say A good PvE boat is about being prepared for visitors.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2016-11-29 06:00:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Onictus
Mara Rinn wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
My beloved bog standard Dominix with mjd and sentry drones.

No need to buy ammo.

Virtually no cap usage and brutally effective.


I love the Domi and Rattlesnake for this reason. Sentry DPS maxes out at about 780 or so doesn't it? My Rattlesnake gets about 1400 combined, while my Raven pushes 1100 with fury.


I have a most of those.

Raven, CNR, Phoon, and Golem all hit right around 1100dps pure (T2) missiles

My Ratter is over 1600dps

Eos, Ishtar, Domi and Rattler can all push about 880dps with drones (using augmented heavies and or Gecko mixes)

Hell my Gila pushes over 800dps, but that is pretty fancy.

Conversely I have a T2 fit standard domi with a rack of 350mm rails on it that is around 880dps before getting fancy with ammo or drones, its the cheapo I use when there are combat probes and/or gankers around. Maybe 350mil with mods and ammo and its can clear all level 4s including silly stuff like AE Bonus rooms.

Not sure I would try a Gurista Extravaganza with it, but its fine for AE as long as you are careful.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#58 - 2016-11-29 07:33:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
There is only a couple of missions that demanded from ship considerable tank, but MJD changed a lot in that regard. Now you can run them tactically. Still if you are lazy and like to stay afk even in missions, there is a lot of tanky BS fits there. Some of them are all around, DPS and tank. There is so much possibilities to fit your ship for PvE I would suggest you go explore in fitting manager added recently to fitting window and fit it to personal preference.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#59 - 2016-11-29 07:40:38 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Eos, Ishtar, Domi and Rattler can all push about 880dps with drones (using augmented heavies and or Gecko mixes)


Ah, there's my bias towards sentry drones showing :D

MJD sentry Domi is basically what I like flying. Even less thinking required than the cruise raven.

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Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2016-11-29 08:19:53 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Eos, Ishtar, Domi and Rattler can all push about 880dps with drones (using augmented heavies and or Gecko mixes)


Ah, there's my bias towards sentry drones showing :D

MJD sentry Domi is basically what I like flying. Even less thinking required than the cruise raven.


Mine has guns also, it does well enough.

That being said I often use sentries even if I'm giving up a couple hundred DPS....