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Matthias Ancaladron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2016-11-28 17:05:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Matthias Ancaladron
Reduce electronics upgrades from level 4 to level 3.

Electronics upgrade level 4 allows for use of signal amplifier II
It only has a 5% higher targeting bonus and allows for 1 extra target over the signal amplifier I
25 > 30
1 extra target > 2 extra targets

You could reduce it to level 3 so you still get a 15% reduction in cpu to a small pool of items this seems to be a requirement for and use the sp for something else to keep the pool under 5m. Level 4 seems unecessary for 1 module like that,

Im looking at fuel conservation level 1-2 or another level of advanced weapon upgrades.
2% powergrid reduction oer level for laser turrets is huge considering medium t1 pulse lasers are 180+ pg a piece. Being able to train it to 2 or 3 over electronics upgrades to 4 would make fitting a bit easier

Fuel conservation is completely locked out, i bought it before the trial switched to alpha an noticed level 1 is completely golded out.
Off the top of my head i dont lthink level 1 or 2 unlocks anything,
Advanced weapons goes to 1 currently but 2-3 would help alot.


EDIT: CORRECTION
I was wrong, i misremembered what i read when i wss typing and it turns out level 4 of electronics is for a coprocesser II. Signal amplifier II is level 5 and omega only.
Level 3 is for hacking which is where the skills utility realisitically ends in my opinion.

Its also worth noting as someone mdntioned it below that minmatar recieve controlled bursts level 1 despite projectile turrets not needed capacitor to fire. Its not much but that is a wasted skill for their tree a and could be better used elsewhere also by removing controlled bursts from minmatar. Assuming it doesnt have a use a prereq for something else. I havent checked.
Iain Cariaba
#2 - 2016-11-28 19:09:51 UTC
Once again, we have another "I'm not getting enough free, gib me moar!!!!" thread.
Matthias Ancaladron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2016-11-28 20:41:09 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Once again, we have another "I'm not getting enough free, gib me moar!!!!" thread.

Swing and a miss.
http:// https://youtu.be/1ytCEuuW2_A
Iain Cariaba
#4 - 2016-11-28 20:47:01 UTC
Matthias Ancaladron wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Once again, we have another "I'm not getting enough free, gib me moar!!!!" thread.

Swing and a miss.
http:// https://youtu.be/1ytCEuuW2_A

You get to play for free. However, what you get for free isn't good enough for you, so you want more free. Nah, I was dead on there.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#5 - 2016-11-28 20:57:33 UTC
Matthias Ancaladron wrote:
Reduce electronics upgrades from level 4 to level 3.

Electronics upgrade level 4 allows for use of signal amplifier II
It only has a 5% higher targeting bonus and allows for 1 extra target over the signal amplifier I
25 > 30
1 extra target > 2 extra targets

You could reduce it to level 3 so you still get a 15% reduction in cpu to a small pool of items this seems to be a requirement for and use the sp for something else to keep the pool under 5m. Level 4 seems unecessary for 1 module like that,

Im looking at fuel conservation level 1-2 or another level of advanced weapon upgrades.
2% powergrid reduction oer level for laser turrets is huge considering medium t1 pulse lasers are 180+ pg a piece. Being able to train it to 2 or 3 over electronics upgrades to 4 would make fitting a bit easier

Fuel conservation is completely locked out, i bought it before the trial switched to alpha an noticed level 1 is completely golded out.
Off the top of my head i dont lthink level 1 or 2 unlocks anything,
Advanced weapons goes to 1 currently but 2-3 would help alot.



If they wanted you to have AWU 2-3, they could just change the allowance to that. It's not like there's any actual need to bring it in under 5 million. Assume you don't have AWU 2-3 as an alpha because they didn't want you to have it - not because the points were spent on EU 4 instead.

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

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Matthias Ancaladron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2016-11-28 21:19:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Matthias Ancaladron
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Matthias Ancaladron wrote:
Reduce electronics upgrades from level 4 to level 3.

Electronics upgrade level 4 allows for use of signal amplifier II
It only has a 5% higher targeting bonus and allows for 1 extra target over the signal amplifier I
25 > 30
1 extra target > 2 extra targets

You could reduce it to level 3 so you still get a 15% reduction in cpu to a small pool of items this seems to be a requirement for and use the sp for something else to keep the pool under 5m. Level 4 seems unecessary for 1 module like that,

Im looking at fuel conservation level 1-2 or another level of advanced weapon upgrades.
2% powergrid reduction oer level for laser turrets is huge considering medium t1 pulse lasers are 180+ pg a piece. Being able to train it to 2 or 3 over electronics upgrades to 4 would make fitting a bit easier

Fuel conservation is completely locked out, i bought it before the trial switched to alpha an noticed level 1 is completely golded out.
Off the top of my head i dont lthink level 1 or 2 unlocks anything,
Advanced weapons goes to 1 currently but 2-3 would help alot.



If they wanted you to have AWU 2-3, they could just change the allowance to that. It's not like there's any actual need to bring it in under 5 million. Assume you don't have AWU 2-3 as an alpha because they didn't want you to have it - not because the points were spent on EU 4 instead.
im aware of that but its a concession because so many people get their panties wadded about going over 5m and want to know what youd take away. They can change the list to improve it. Electronics 4 is unecessary and its sp could be better spent elsewhere thats all.
But theres also people I guess who cant even read before they post and embarass themselves before they realize i opened my thread by removing a skill point to be put somewhere else to try and get likes from a funny first post rather than be constructive lol
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#7 - 2016-11-28 21:34:02 UTC
Barely scratches the surface with what's left to be desired from alpha skills:

-Minmatar alpha has controlled burst...but cannot use a weapon that uses cap (maybe civilian weapons).
-Gallente alpha cannot use heavy drones so it can never fully use a vexors drone bay.
-Speaking of which, the minmatar alpha can't use medium drones, so the only cruiser it can fully utilise the drone bay of is a stabber.
-Two T1 cruisers are bonuses for logi drones. Only gal alpha can use logi drones.
-everyone gets electronic warfare to three but its only useful for caldari. Meanwhile only gal has damps and everyone has weapon disruption for some reason.

Somewhere down the line i hope their limits will be increased, but id really much MUCH prefer to be able to choose where my alphas 5mil sp goes with the ability to slowly untrain skills if i ever want to change my mind.

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Matthias Ancaladron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2016-11-28 21:54:07 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
Barely scratches the surface with what's left to be desired from alpha skills:

-Minmatar alpha has controlled burst...but cannot use a weapon that uses cap (maybe civilian weapons).
-Gallente alpha cannot use heavy drones so it can never fully use a vexors drone bay.
-Speaking of which, the minmatar alpha can't use medium drones, so the only cruiser it can fully utilise the drone bay of is a stabber.
-Two T1 cruisers are bonuses for logi drones. Only gal alpha can use logi drones.
-everyone gets electronic warfare to three but its only useful for caldari. Meanwhile only gal has damps and everyone has weapon disruption for some reason.

Somewhere down the line i hope their limits will be increased, but id really much MUCH prefer to be able to choose where my alphas 5mil sp goes with the ability to slowly untrain skills if i ever want to change my mind.

I thought that when i looked at controlled bursts since they dont need it but that was back when the newsletter went out, it didnt cross my mind when i made this. It seems they let a few skills in under their radar.

I think the 5m in anything you want tho would be used by people to make hyper specialized alts. Not sure how that would work out when you could plan your skills ahead and just make an alpha and go straight down your preplanned skill path.
Iain Cariaba
#9 - 2016-11-28 22:18:32 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
Barely scratches the surface with what's left to be desired from alpha skills:

-Minmatar alpha has controlled burst...but cannot use a weapon that uses cap (maybe civilian weapons).
-Gallente alpha cannot use heavy drones so it can never fully use a vexors drone bay.
-Speaking of which, the minmatar alpha can't use medium drones, so the only cruiser it can fully utilise the drone bay of is a stabber.
-Two T1 cruisers are bonuses for logi drones. Only gal alpha can use logi drones.
-everyone gets electronic warfare to three but its only useful for caldari. Meanwhile only gal has damps and everyone has weapon disruption for some reason.

Somewhere down the line i hope their limits will be increased, but id really much MUCH prefer to be able to choose where my alphas 5mil sp goes with the ability to slowly untrain skills if i ever want to change my mind.

There's a difference between what you want here and what OP wants. You want flaws ironed out in what was already given, not something extra.
Matthias Ancaladron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2016-11-28 22:50:52 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Daichi Yamato wrote:
Barely scratches the surface with what's left to be desired from alpha skills:

-Minmatar alpha has controlled burst...but cannot use a weapon that uses cap (maybe civilian weapons).
-Gallente alpha cannot use heavy drones so it can never fully use a vexors drone bay.
-Speaking of which, the minmatar alpha can't use medium drones, so the only cruiser it can fully utilise the drone bay of is a stabber.
-Two T1 cruisers are bonuses for logi drones. Only gal alpha can use logi drones.
-everyone gets electronic warfare to three but its only useful for caldari. Meanwhile only gal has damps and everyone has weapon disruption for some reason.

Somewhere down the line i hope their limits will be increased, but id really much MUCH prefer to be able to choose where my alphas 5mil sp goes with the ability to slowly untrain skills if i ever want to change my mind.

There's a difference between what you want here and what OP wants. You want flaws ironed out in what was already given, not something extra.

Nothings being given here. It would result in a net sp loss.
A level 4 skill is a lot more than the first level of a skill unless that skill has a crazy modifier on it. putting fuel conservation to 1 or 2 and lowering electronics to 3 would be taking sp away from alphas.
Iain Cariaba
#11 - 2016-11-28 23:30:15 UTC
I have to apologize here. I had read so many threads demanding more free stuff for Alphas that I confused this thread for another in both my initial post in it and my subsequent responses. I really need to stop opening so many different threads at once.

Again, I apologize.
Matthias Ancaladron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2016-11-28 23:48:07 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
I have to apologize here. I had read so many threads demanding more free stuff for Alphas that I confused this thread for another in both my initial post in it and my subsequent responses. I really need to stop opening so many different threads at once.

Again, I apologize.

Its cool meng. No problem