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Paying to play Alpha clones?

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Morgan Agrivar
Doomheim
#61 - 2016-11-28 05:11:24 UTC
*repeatedly slams head against desk in hopes of not having to read any more whining from alpha players*
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2016-11-28 05:53:00 UTC
Morgan Agrivar wrote:
*repeatedly slams head against desk in hopes of not having to read any more whining from alpha players*

you should have been prepared already.... Cool

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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#63 - 2016-11-28 06:51:07 UTC
Rin Vocaloid2 wrote:

God, the sight of CODE fielding a fleet of a thousand alpha-fit destroyers all controlled by one player...

Sure the ban on multiplexing and multibroadcasting makes it that hard to gank efficiently, but all you need is one hit from every ship to destroy a miner in high-sec even with Concord already on the field if enough ganker ships were present. Imagine an AFK miner coming back after 15 minutes to see his pod drifting in space while surrounded by a mass grave of 1,000 destroyer wrecks all being ninja looted by local scavengers.

PS: If you run military career missions, you can get a free destroyer to cut down your cost. Of course, that would be extremely inefficient.

The whole whining that alphas would be used as gank alts is pretty pointless, given there are means to get a free (or almost free) omega account if you don't need the SP which is a given for a dedicated suicide ganking account.

What the whiners never account for:
- A PC has limits
- Multiboxing has limits
- More alts means more ships means more logistics headache

There is a reason most people only use one or two gank accounts. Yes there are gankers who use more, but that is not very common. The costs of the accounts is no reason at all since we already worked around that.

If your scenario was realistic at all we would see those fleets already
Arcelian
0nus
#64 - 2016-11-28 13:49:55 UTC
When did 15 dollars become a lot of money over a span of a month? That's roughly 50 cents a day...

I'm not Mr. Moneybags, but seriously, if I didn't have 15 bucks left over every month to spend on entertainment, I'd probably not be playing computer games, but be working on finding myself some better employment.

I think you can go to your local plasma center, and they give you more than that for just bodily fluids.

Valhallas
New Eden Robotics
#65 - 2016-11-28 14:08:23 UTC
What about one Omega and one Alpha, is that possible to multibox?
Keno Skir
#66 - 2016-11-28 14:17:48 UTC
Voxinian
#67 - 2016-11-28 15:25:10 UTC
Radical Posture wrote:


Edit: I have also heard that multiboxing on omega accounts will soon be disallowed as well.


Then why have I given CCP over 3k USD to build up my empire that is now useless?
If you were playing EvE with one account, you were doing it wrong!!
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Allowing mutli accounts was the dumbest idea ever made by CCP, and seemingly was only implemented to fill the bank account of CCP. I would love to see an EvE where litterally every player only has 1 account to play with. Now that would be interesting!
Starrakatt
Empire Assault Corp
Dead Terrorists
#68 - 2016-11-28 15:47:25 UTC
Quote:
Voxinian wrote:
Radical Posture wrote:


Edit: I have also heard that multiboxing on omega accounts will soon be disallowed as well.


Then why have I given CCP over 3k USD to build up my empire that is now useless?
If you were playing EvE with one account, you were doing it wrong!!


Allowing mutli accounts was the dumbest idea ever made by CCP, and seemingly was only implemented to fill the bank account of CCP. I would love to see an EvE where litterally every player only has 1 account to play with. Now that would be interesting!

I am no economist, but banning multiple Omega accounts would hurt CCP's wallet so much I doubt they'd even consider it.
Voxinian
#69 - 2016-11-28 15:51:51 UTC
Starrakatt wrote:
Quote:
Voxinian wrote:
Radical Posture wrote:


Edit: I have also heard that multiboxing on omega accounts will soon be disallowed as well.


Then why have I given CCP over 3k USD to build up my empire that is now useless?
If you were playing EvE with one account, you were doing it wrong!!


Allowing mutli accounts was the dumbest idea ever made by CCP, and seemingly was only implemented to fill the bank account of CCP. I would love to see an EvE where litterally every player only has 1 account to play with. Now that would be interesting!

I am no economist, but banning multiple Omega accounts would hurt CCP's wallet so much I doubt they'd even consider it.


Obviously it's now way to late to revert this... unless they add a new parallel EvE universe with a 1 account restriction. I would switch to that universe!
Salvos Rhoska
#70 - 2016-11-28 17:21:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
1 account per user is impossible. Forget about it.

1) Its technically/legally impossible to enforce. People have been exploiting around this with PCs/IPs/virtual installations since forever.
2) The true core of EVE vets (whom many, lamentably, havent paid anything to CCP for years, but also those many whom have paid thousands upon thousands of currency over the years) would self-destruct in rage supernovas never before seen in EVE. (and arguably online ever before). It would obliterate the underlying infrastructure of the EVE community/playerbase and ruin CCP overnight.
3) Heuristically, over the years, this game has been develeped according to an impetus system that encourages more than one account. Even if it where possible, or expedient, to enforce 1 axcount per player, it would tear apart the DNA of this game as it has evolved over years.
4) CCP eanrs more, the more accounts there are, in aggregate. Ignoring for the moment the PLEX market manipulation of truly isk super rich organisations (ofc its happening, whether deliberately or not), more accounts generally means more money for CCP.

I argued for Omegas being able to fly an Alpha simultaneously, but my argument was hypothetical/academic based on exploring the equity between free and paid It was not "real". The systems, history and constraints of the game make this impractical/u workable and the right decision was made by CCP in this regard.

The inductive fact of the matter, especially considering EVEs low cpu/gfx requirements, pre-existing ingame environment and proliferation of accounts, is to play with atleast two accounts for more than double the potential of one. Two accounts are greater than the sum of their parts, exponentially beyond that of a single one. The potential synergy of two accounts in terms of access to content, and creating content, is exponential to just one.
Devious Relation
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
#71 - 2016-11-28 17:34:12 UTC
All of these VOID reponses. Since CCP BANNED ISBOXER and KEYBROADCASTING multiboxing is not an issue.. You wont have 100 cruisers all controlled by 1 person alphaing things off the grid yada yada... Its purely to force people into paying for subscriptions not balance
Salvos Rhoska
#72 - 2016-11-28 18:16:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Devious Relation wrote:
All of these VOID reponses. Since CCP BANNED ISBOXER and KEYBROADCASTING multiboxing is not an issue.. You wont have 100 cruisers all controlled by 1 person alphaing things off the grid yada yada... Its purely to force people into paying for subscriptions not balance


Automation was always, technically, disallowed.
Those players also subbed, with PLEX, or money, like everyone else.
But they where exploiting the system by broadcasting commands.
CCP unfortunately didnt enforce that for a looong time.

Nothing of value was lost in the change,

You can still pay for Omega on 100 cruisers/miners controlled by one person.
That has not changed.
Go ahead and micro 10/100/1000 Omega accounts, simultaneously, if youve subbed them.

You just cant automate /broadcast that fleets commands (which was illegal even before) without CCP paying more attention to it (presumably).
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#73 - 2016-11-28 18:31:09 UTC
Just wanted to say:

No, CCP aren't planning (at least nowhere I've seen) to ban multi-boxing.

While that's not _absolutely_ certain, it's good enough for me. And anyone that's saying otherwise has no evidence, they're just **** stirring.

Woo! CSM XI!

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Salvos Rhoska
#74 - 2016-11-28 20:44:34 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Just wanted to say:

No, CCP aren't planning (at least nowhere I've seen) to ban multi-boxing.


What do you mean specifically by the term multi-boxing?
Arisidana
Amadari Traders
#75 - 2016-11-29 11:21:02 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Just wanted to say:

No, CCP aren't planning (at least nowhere I've seen) to ban multi-boxing.


What do you mean specifically by the term multi-boxing?



1 client = single-boxing

2 or more clients at the same time = multi-boxing

Got it?

And tomorrow I will show you what a computer looks like.
Sequester Risalo
Significant Others
#76 - 2016-11-29 12:04:01 UTC
Starrakatt wrote:

Personally I know that if I could have unlimited/skilled Omega accounts running, I'd gank the crap out off my war targets because I could.


Your wartargets should be scared because you can run unlimited skilled omega accounts. You just have to pay subscription and hardware for 'em.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2016-11-29 12:08:15 UTC
Sequester Risalo wrote:
Starrakatt wrote:

Personally I know that if I could have unlimited/skilled Omega accounts running, I'd gank the crap out off my war targets because I could.


Your wartargets should be scared because you can run unlimited skilled omega accounts. You just have to pay subscription and hardware for 'em.

Note: you don't need to pay subscription for Omega account which is only used for ganking. You can make 1 char to be SP donor and have the whole account for free selling SP from this char.

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#78 - 2016-11-29 13:15:12 UTC
Arisidana wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Just wanted to say:

No, CCP aren't planning (at least nowhere I've seen) to ban multi-boxing.


What do you mean specifically by the term multi-boxing?



1 client = single-boxing

2 or more clients at the same time = multi-boxing

Got it?

And tomorrow I will show you what a computer looks like.



This.

Using more than one omega account at the same time on the same, or different computers.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter