Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The ‘Ligature’ analyzer is too weak for its price.
So let's change this analyzer name to 'Nepotrib'
‘Zeugma’ quite interesting analyzer.
But for it's price this analyzer must have at least same stats as in analyzers tech 2 and same numbers of utility slot.

Seriously, CCP? Seriously?
I need 2 analyzers. It's 660M isk.
Considering that from Data sites falls only one or two components for manufacturing, I will need to spend several years to gather that all components.
Simple math:
3 Data sites per day. So after one year i will have around 730 of each type of required components but only if i will be lucky and each site drops 2 components at once.
If i will be lucky after 1,5 year i can manufacture my first!!!! analyzer! Awesome!
So or improve stats for analyzer to justify price, or reduce required components, or rebalance data sites for better drop of necessary components.

Hi folks, sorry for the silence but vacations were being enjoyed.

For the next release I'll be vastly lowering the High Tech building material amounts required to build both multi analyzers.
I'm also going to lower the Zeugma's Coherence from 40 to 30 as it's slightly too strong in my opinion.

Early numbers I'm looking at are:

Ligature - 50 each (150 high tech goods required in total - down from 1500)
Zeugma - 100 each (300 high tech goods required in total - down from 3000)

That's all for now so let me know your thoughts on this please.

Fly safe,
CCP RedDawn

That's going to be unfortunate for folks who have already built them, but considering how horribly over-priced they were compared to everything else, it'll be good for their use as a whole.

Easily fixed by adding a 0 to how many of them people who already have the modules own.


To Tristan. Consider how many BPC are out there for the modules already. And the fact that the coherence is still going to be superior to a T2 on both, and the Zeg has the same virus strength I'm not sure how these are 'weaker' than the T2 modules. Or are you another person who hasn't realised that the Faction analysers get bonuses from both skills, so +100 at max skill to coherence. Rather than only +50.
But yea, considering all that it's just as likely that the value of those materials will increase even more because the supply/demand ratio for these modules will actually rise, even with the supply increased in such a dramatic manner, since the price will be something a lot more people will consider. Economics of scale.

Not that I'm against the idea of all analysers being combined. And the virus strength difference in them basically makes anything but T2/Zeg useless because of how virus strength & 'combat' works. So the range could certainly use improvement. But your arguments against this change don't hold a drop of water.

I'm sorry when was the last time CCP actually followed through on their "baby steps adjustements"? I love CCP devs but you gotta admit, it's not their forte to schedule a revision pass on what's already been "rebalanced".

So what about the people who already built them?

Also you realise the price has risen due to people investing in the materials for the module hence pushing the price up. Ie it is probably just a temporary bubble.

Altering build costs such a short time after releasing the modules just because you don't like how the markets have reacted is NOT the way to start doing things unless you want to lose customers fast. This is advertised a player driven sandbox after all.

You should wait at least one year and see how things settle down and then make small adjustments if necessary.

@CCP RedDawn

Thanks RedDawn. Finally these items have a purpose and some value.
But what about "High-Tech Small Arms"? Are there any ideas to give them a use, too?

I missed this post several weeks ago. I'm now going to check out this module. Thanks for the change!

Indeed I have people in corp running these on asteros for exactly that purpose (we had the blueprints so we said **** it and built some)

For new explorers its a bad time, but those people shouldn't be dunking their money in an astero without some more ship/drone,tank,etc. skills anyway.

For experienced pilots with good hacking and scanning skills it is an interesting tradeoff. You get to keep your cargo bay space in stead of wasting it on an MTU to refit data/relic scanners. It is slightly annoying to be limited to one little bucket for the hacking grid items, but once you get used to it a skilled player can clear most sites in the same amount of time.

It IS however pretty much pointless on anything BUT the Astero, still somewhat overpriced for its function and drawbacks, and still suffers from the crius era nerf to the profitability of data sites.

For this thing to be really attractive, data sites need to be attractive again, and with the cruis changes still drastically limiting demand for decryptors and data sites still having ****** drop rates for unique site-only BPCs its just not worth the cost even in that case. Most people would rather just leave the data analyzer at home fif they don't wanna carry around an MTU, or leave the point at home and just fit for self defense rather than killing the attacker.

The cost would be okay if this had some kind of effect that would make it useful on other ships (recieves extra bonus from hacking rigs or comes with some +scan or something) so it was a costly way to ghetto-fit other ships or actually get back some resources on t2 frigs that are useful.

The ligature, however, is still complete trash.

The Zeugma, even in its best use case (the astero hacker/combat hybrid) it is still largely in the same boat as the massive pile of other faction modules. It is overpriced shiny bullshit that nobody wants to fit because the cost does not equate to the utility gained.

Just like those other shiny modules, people will fit them because they happen to have them, or because they just want to fit up some shiny nonsense, but I still feel they'd be better off as just bonus hacking modules in a world where relic/data analyzers were merged and have exactly the same appeal for the same players.