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Swapping from Legion to a Proteus Level 4 Missions ( Railguns )

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Dock Wh0re
VINDICTIVE EXECUTIVE
VINDICTIVE
#1 - 2016-11-25 11:17:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Dock Wh0re
So for a long time I've been using a Legion for these and I have found the only time this ship has problems with tank is with the Serpentis in Words collide.

I've posted the Legion fit I use below for reference.


Dissolution Sequencer
Nanobot Injector
Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Fuel Catalyst

HIGH
Heavy Pulse Laser II (x6) /Conflag /Scorch

MED
Federation Navy 10MN AB
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Tracking Computer II /Unscripted
Medium Cap Battery II

LOW
True Sansha Medium Armor Repairer
Imperial Navi Energized Adaprive Nano Membrabe (x2)
Dark Blood Heat Sink (x3)

RIGS
Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell II
Medium Anti-Thermal Pump II
Medium Anti-EM Pump II

Resists Approx: Em:79 // Therm: 73 // Kin: 80 // Exp: 90
EHP Approx 33,500


I know that's a bit blingy but I actually put that together from large amounts of spare faction mods. In fact the only thing there I specifically bought for it was the web so I figured I might aswell. It all works fine with normal mods. If memory serves it wouldn't quite fit with all Tech II (power grid issues) so I suspect either the rep or the AB would need to be Meta 4 but can't recall.

Anyway going of on a tangent there; so the Legion there works really well. Cap stable, has 730 DPS as I mostly use Conflag ammo. The problem is since I returned to Caldari space the amount of Gurista's missions is making this a seriously inefficient ship due to it's Mainly EM damage output. So I was thinking of putting this ship to one side and using it to deal with Sansha/Blood Raider missions and instead fitting up a Proteus to deal with the Gurista's or Serpantis missions.

Now I've never flown a Proteus before so this is me jumping in at the deep end a little with fitting but this is what I came up with.


Dissolution Sequencer
Nanobot Injector
Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Localized Injectors

HIGH
250mm RailGun II (x6) /Antimatter M

MED
50mn MWD II
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Large Pb-Acid Cap Battery

LOW
Damage Control II
C-Type Nano Membrane (x2)
Magnetic Field Stabalizer II (x3)
C-Type Medium Armor Repairer

RIGS
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II (x2)
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump II

Resists Approx: Em:78 // Therm: 86 // Kin: 93 // Exp: 70
EHP Approx 38,500 (EHP vs Gurista Approx 80,000 / EHP vs Serp Approx 60,000)


Once again I've tried to use parts I already have to build this Proteus. This is tight on fitting, Note the Meta 4 large Cap battery as a Tech II doesn't fit. The Proteus in many ways copies the logic I initially applied when I first designed the fit for the Legion. This Proteus is also cap stable but has about 70 less DPS assuming I used Javelin ammo. I was however planning on running this mainly with T1 Antimatter as the DPS on Tech 1 AM is around 560 which is actually higher than my Legion gave if I had to use Scorch ammo. Considering Antimatter will also be doing the correct damage type I'm confident 560 DPS is ample.

Moving on, The Main difference between the two is the use of a MWD on the Proteus as apposed to the AB on the Legion.

Now as I said this is my first crack at the Proteus. I've got great gunnery skills but poor missiles and only average drone stills so using a gunboat is the most practical method for me and I thought this may be better than the slow speed and poor tracking of battleships / large guns.


As a novice to this ship I thought it best to get some extra opinions from people more familiar with the ship

so any insights people may have would be appreciated.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
Brave Collective
#2 - 2016-11-25 11:40:29 UTC
Why don't you fly a battleship?

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Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2016-11-25 11:47:22 UTC
drones proteus works fine as well if you decide to skill up in drones in the future, just for reference.
they use it for 10/10 DED

just a couple of videos of it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89I8nKF-2uA&t=1s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6qCBJ5QgWQ
Atomeon
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2016-11-25 21:28:55 UTC
Since "bling" is not a matter with you, just use faction Magnetic Field Stabilizers and you will get the extra DPS you "missing?"

Also there are Laser Battleships like: Nightmare, Navy Apoc etc depends on badget.
W0lf Crendraven
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#5 - 2016-11-25 21:42:39 UTC
Please post fits in the eft format, or not at all.
hmskrecik
TransMine Group
Gluten Free Cartel
#6 - 2016-11-25 22:58:56 UTC  |  Edited by: hmskrecik
I have been running L4 missions in Proteus for a long time and the setup which I found the best (for me) was using following subsystems:
- Dissolution Sequencer
- Power Core Multiplier
- Localized Injectors
- Nanobot Injector
- Hybrid Propulsion Armature

Just with plain Antimatter and 3 T2 Magstabs you get 560 DPS and with Navy AM plus 3 faction Magstabs and 1 T2 it goes up to 725. Plus drones.

Resist the tempation of using Dissonic Encoding Platform instead of Hybrid Propulsion. This extra tracking will not help you killing webbing elite frigates, and when you're webbed you're in trouble. When on missions have drones, always.

I'm not sure why you want to use MWD when with AB and Localized Injectors you can easily speed tank. Also with enagagement range of rails you will not have much use of the webber. Exact choice of remaining mids and lows dpends heavily on your competence, confidence and playing style. I, for instance, have been initially flying double-rep-cap-stable setup while much later I have pushed it down to more balls to the wall flavour of one rep 5 minutes stable. Felt more squishy but it worked.

All that being said I second elitatwo: just train for a battleship.
Altair Taurus
#7 - 2016-11-25 23:20:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Altair Taurus
Recently I have tested Proteus is several level 4 missions. This T3 cruiser is a beast against Serpentis and Gurista rats. I chose rails+drones option with identical subsystems configuration as stated above. My Proteus does 800 DPS (650 DPS with rails + 150 DPS with 5x Hammerhead II). In practice it can kill Gurista/Serpentis battleship starting shooting it from 30 km and finishing it when rat is 15 km away. I try to kill hostile frigates first from long range using AB & Spike ammo or Hobgoblins II if they manage to get close. I can confirm its speed tanking ability is great! For instance in Gurista Assault mission my Marauders get NPC missile hits causing 150-200 volley damage while speed-tanking Proteus gets only...15-20 volley damage in the same situation. All in all Proteus kills rats quite fast but it needs much more manual flying than battleship and especially Marauder. Yet if you like such style of PvE combat you won't be disappointed!
Altair Taurus
#8 - 2016-11-25 23:29:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Altair Taurus
It is a bit funny but I think about adding Legion to my T3 cruiser fleet... Cool
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#9 - 2016-11-26 14:50:04 UTC
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
Please post fits in the eft format, or not at all.

It takes all of maybe a 2 minutes of your time to manually enter a fit, If you are to lazy to do that then how about you download and install the other fitting tools, they are free you know. Even better yet those who write EFT could realize they are not the ONLY fit tool in existence and add better import routines in the spirit of cooperation with the rest of the community.
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2016-11-26 15:39:16 UTC
ETF in 2k16 LUL

pyfa ftw Blink
Cyclone Organic
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2016-11-28 01:25:11 UTC
Try this out:
[Proteus, Proteus fit copy]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Medium Armor Repairer II

10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
Stasis Webifier II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

250mm Railgun II, Javelin M
250mm Railgun II, Javelin M
250mm Railgun II, Javelin M
Medium Energy Nosferatu II
Medium Ghoul Compact Energy Nosferatu
Medium Ghoul Compact Energy Nosferatu

Medium Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Medium Hybrid Metastasis Adjuster I
Medium Drone Scope Chip I

Proteus Offensive - Drone Synthesis Projector
Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Proteus Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
Proteus Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors


Gecko x2

800 DPS and 270 DPS TANK against angel & Minmatar
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2016-11-28 17:40:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Antillie Sa'Kan
Soel Reit wrote:
ETF in 2k16 LUL

pyfa ftw Blink


EFT format is understood by EFT, Pyfa, and the EVE game client. Its even easy for a human to read. There is no reason not to use it regardless of what fitting tool you prefer to use. It is the defacto standard.
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#13 - 2016-11-29 15:38:26 UTC
Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:
Soel Reit wrote:
ETF in 2k16 LUL

pyfa ftw Blink


EFT format is understood by EFT, Pyfa, and the EVE game client. Its even easy for a human to read. There is no reason not to use it regardless of what fitting tool you prefer to use. It is the defacto standard.

Thank you for making my point. It is simple arrogance that prevents those who maintain and update EFT from being compatible with the other programs. Being the defacto standard does not remove from them the need to be cooperative with the rest of the programs.

You may find the EFT text format quick and easy to read, being that I am and always have been and EvE HQ guy I find the EFT format to be confusing and difficult to read. This is not an issue of what is easy for ALL people this is an issue of that each person is used to.
Elsa Hayes
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#14 - 2016-12-01 15:12:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Elsa Hayes
If you want to use a T3 for level 4s and are hell bent on trying Proteus the drone setup gives you the most bang for the buck,

Nanobot Injector
Dissolution Sequencer
Augmented Cap reservoir
Drone Synthesis Projector
Localized Injectors

Low:

Drone Damage Amp II x4
Armour hardener of choice T2 x2
(I used the lazy man's choice of Armour Explosive Hardener II x 1 + Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II x1 for tank calculation)
Centum A type Medium Armour Repairer x 1

Mids
10 MN Afterburner II x 1
Drone Navigational Computer II x 1
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II x 1 (tracking speed script)

Highs

250mm Railgun II x 3 Cal. Navy AM
Drone Link Augmenter II x 1
Medium Ghoul Compact Nosferatu x 2

Rigs
Medium Capacitor Control circuit I x 3 (just an example since it gives some more lenience when there is nothing to nos, adjust as you see necessary)

Racial heavy drone x 4, Gecko x 2, reserves, light drones what ever.

339 omni tank, 801 dps Ogre IIs +guns, runs everything for 5:31 permanently out of nos range, indefinitely within.
Only bling really needed is the A type repper (imo), you can use 2x Geckos but pls remember that Geckos do rainbow damage so using the appropriate damage type drone might give better results sometimes even if they are less beefy.

Drone augmenters in the mids are there to boost speed and tracking of your main damage dealers (drones), if you intend to keep your drones close ditch the tracking link for a webbifier preferably a 14km one.

I tried rail setups but they were pretty disappointing. I used the one above for a change of pace but have changed back to battleships, quicker completion time and less micro management.
Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#15 - 2016-12-02 08:44:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrew Indy
If you are fitting a Large battery, go faction. They are very cheap and way better than Meta.
W0lf Crendraven
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#16 - 2016-12-02 21:51:31 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:
Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:
Soel Reit wrote:
ETF in 2k16 LUL

pyfa ftw Blink


EFT format is understood by EFT, Pyfa, and the EVE game client. Its even easy for a human to read. There is no reason not to use it regardless of what fitting tool you prefer to use. It is the defacto standard.

Thank you for making my point. It is simple arrogance that prevents those who maintain and update EFT from being compatible with the other programs. Being the defacto standard does not remove from them the need to be cooperative with the rest of the programs.

You may find the EFT text format quick and easy to read, being that I am and always have been and EvE HQ guy I find the EFT format to be confusing and difficult to read. This is not an issue of what is easy for ALL people this is an issue of that each person is used to.


No, everyone uses the EFT format, hell even all killboards use it. Its the accepted standard and if you dont use it then dont post anything at all.
Eve Payne
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2016-12-03 04:28:20 UTC
I cant believe you're making such a big deal about formats, and that any format is "hard to read" - that almost defies explanation - its not like it uses abreviations there's 4(5) types of fittings, I don't care if it's in low, rigs, high, subsystems, medium slots order, there's nothing hard about reading it.
Now on the forum topic, using a tengu to run missions makes sense, I mean hou have 800 dps at 80 km(not 100 o/o on the numbers, using beam or pulse schorch legion I can tolerate, but using a proteus with its 30 km range on good (at 50 km yor dps is probably in thr 350s)dps is just stoopid. Do like everybody else and train for a mach.
Paranoid Loyd
#18 - 2016-12-03 06:27:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Everyone's life is easier if we all use the same format, it's the reason things like standards exist.

If we all export and post EFT then we don't have to waste time inputting the fit to see the stats, they can easily be copied and pasted.

Eve exports EFT format and I haven't seen one thrid party program worth while that doesn't both import and export it.

There's no reason not to do it.

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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#19 - 2016-12-03 07:01:54 UTC
If you want a gun Proteus and consider 500 DPS adequate, why not just do something like this:

[Proteus, L4 legion analog]
Corpum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Corelum C-Type Energized Kinetic Membrane
Corelum C-Type Energized Thermal Membrane

Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Stasis Webifier II
10MN Afterburner II

250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Hybrid Collision Accelerator II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Proteus Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Proteus Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Proteus Offensive - Dissonic Encoding Platform
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors

So this has some quirks; let's talk them through. First, it's a 5 gun setup. Damage output is ~550 versus ~600 from a 6 gun setup with similar cap stability -- BUT, this one has space for two TCs + web + prop. Tracking on this is 15.8 rad/sec with one tracking script or 19.5 rad/sec with two. Combine that with a web and pretty much nothing will get under your guns. Oh, and that's without loading Javelin.

The native tracking from the dissonic whatever also means all shots are better than what you can get out of the hybrid blah blah blah (no, I don't recall all the names of all the subsystems). Since the vast majority of your damage using either is from guns I'd generally prefer to maximize their effectiveness over having "oh ****" drones available.

Admittedly, this has lower total damage potential than a drone Proteus. However, drones come with all the problems drones always come with -- travel time, tracking, etc. Since this is all guns, again applied damage is probably on par.

Oh, and it's pretty easy on fitting if your skills aren't quite there yet.

Anyhow, that's likely the road I'd go down. Bling the mag stabs if you so choose of course.
Dock Wh0re
VINDICTIVE EXECUTIVE
VINDICTIVE
#20 - 2016-12-03 15:17:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Dock Wh0re
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
No, everyone uses the EFT format, hell even all killboards use it. Its the accepted standard and if you dont use it then dont post anything at all.


Clearly everyone doesn't otherwise your first post wouldn't have been valid would it. I get it now after it was explained, you want to be able to import from a copy/paste. Fair enough; doesn't mean you need to be a tosspot

Now go away you silly pointless person.





So having reviewed various helpful comments I have concluded that a MWD fit with a web is pointless . Rather obvious really and although I'd be loosing the MWD bonus I do think that an AB fit does make more sense; which means I can also drop the cap battery and perhaps stick a tracking computer in there.

There's a few comments about using a battleship such as a nightmere. I can and have done this, I have Large Pulse Spec V the only reason I don't is I simply got sick of the sight of it and wanted something different.

In fact the only skill barrier I have really is Drones. I do have all Drone skills to tech II but never bothered with the support skills which means my drones, even though tech II are somewhat subpar compared to my fully max gunnery skills. This, at least for the moment makes me lean towards gunships until I improve drone skills. That said I was intrigued by the fit posted by Cyclone Organic for future experimentation.


I think I'm liking the fit posted by Zhilia Mann but the empty rig slot would bug the hell out me.

Thanks everyone for the help so far.
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