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Federal detention facilities in Black Rise.

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Teinyhr
Ourumur
#41 - 2016-11-25 08:26:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Teinyhr
While stroking her ego might not have been one of your goals, considering yours and her past, and indeed her behaviour in general for past several years, do you think she will understand, or will she just take your statement as validation of her own deluded biases? Saying "guys, the village idiot was right" can be more dangerous than you think.

Yes, we agree that we can't selectively condemn acts against the spirit of humanity.


Now, I was at first seriously considering should I say anything about the quite heavy "caldari good / gallente baad" slant this forum and several of its regulars tends to have - not surprisising since many regulars are State Citizens I guess, but there it went anyway. Sometimes emotions get the best of me too. Well, more than I'd like actually. Oh, and I wasn't particularly accusing you of it despite mentioning you in an earlier sentence.

Anyway, I'd like to partially rescind my earlier statement. Partially. The first few responses were the typical "boo hoo Federation is rotten to the core" reactionary slights, but after that and sparing for Tuulinen's few emotional outbursts, the conversation hasnt' been particularly one sided, this time.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#42 - 2016-11-25 17:35:56 UTC
Tsao Aubbes wrote:
Miss Kim, you do realize I am Gallente right? Just because I live and work in the drone regions does not change my national allegiance. Frankly, I don't want to be kind to you at all, considering how you slander, insult and call for the death of my home daily. But I still try my best to be kind when I can, and be neutral as often as possible. But all of this is seriously tempting me to stop being kind and stoop to your level and insult supporters of the state in the same way you do to my countrymen. I honestly believe that this war is wasteful. Both the Federation and the State must admit their sins and work twords a better tomorrow in unity. Your hate of everything Gallente is one of the reasons there is no peace, and the same goes for Gallenteans that act the same way as you. That's really just my thoughts Miss.

I don't hate you Miss Kim. I don't want you to hate me.

If you don't want me to hate you, you shall not spread slanders like that about our State and myself, because right now you has shown yourself not better than this annoying and not very smart tribal, that has posted right above me.

I have repeated several times that I am fighting Gallente Federation in a form of their Government and all those, who wear Federal uniform. Do YOU wear this uniform? Then why the hell you bark about it? I don't care neither about racial gallente, nor about poor sods who get Federal citizenship - they aren't my enemies. Yet you bark here like I want to "destroy your home and call for death of it". For Maker's sake, woman. It were Gallente who came into our home. It were Gallente, who dropped titan on Caldari Prime. Did we do anything like that? Go to the Luminaire, go right now, fly to Caldari Prime, and you will still see the scar that federals did to our homeworld, the scar that will stay there for millions if not billions of years.

It were gallente who were writing to "Exterminate all Caldari" on Caldari Prime 8 years ago. Unlike your people, I don't want to exterminate you, and I DEMAND you to not measure me by your standards of racial hatred and genocide. Otherwise I will make exception for you with your ship and crew.

You blame me in lack of peace? Do you? But do you remember that Tibus Heth HAS signed peace with Gallente Federation, the peace that Federals broke just 5 years later by violating the threaty. And to do what?... to invade our HOMEWORLD.

I hate this war, and I hate the Federation that has started this this war. I want it to end. And I want it to end once and forever, so there won't be reason for Caldari and Gallente to fight ever again. And for us to live in peace the Federation as a political entity must be invalidated.


I am tired and annoyed at constant attempts of others to tell what I want and what I do when they fail to understand both my actions and motives. If you don't understand something, then go ahead and ask. It isn't hard to approach me. I repeat, you aren't enemy for me.

But if you will keep following your course and will continue telling crap about me either because you misunderstood or by purpose - then I guarantee you, you will become my enemy VERY fast.


And, if you have noticed, in this discussion I pointed out on exact Federal "sins" . If you want to bring in any Caldari "sins" - go ahead, start the discussion. I freaking dare you to do exactly what I did! Bring it, show it, OR TAKE YOU WORDS BACK that we had any sins.

Damn, because for now the only sin we did was to STAND TALL against gallente oppression, protecting our citizens, assets, territories and ancestral lands from the invaders.

How dared these pesky Caldari defend themselves from Federal invasion and genocide!... Shame on us. Maybe we all just should die, eh?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Merchant Rova
Tidal Lock
Vapor-Lock
#43 - 2016-11-25 22:31:38 UTC
I love how you can take "I want the empires to work together, and it starts here with us" and spin that into "Us Caldari should just go die, eh?". It's amazing that of all the people in this thread, you chose to jump on and go after Tsao Aubbes, perhaps one the kindest and most shy capsuleers I've ever seen.

New low for you Diana.
Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#44 - 2016-11-26 17:50:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Saya Ishikari
Tsao Aubbes wrote:
Miss Kim, you do realize I am Gallente right? Just because I live and work in the drone regions does not change my national allegiance. Frankly, I don't want to be kind to you at all, considering how you slander, insult and call for the death of my home daily. But I still try my best to be kind when I can, and be neutral as often as possible. But all of this is seriously tempting me to stop being kind and stoop to your level and insult supporters of the state in the same way you do to my countrymen. I honestly believe that this war is wasteful. Both the Federation and the State must admit their sins and work twords a better tomorrow in unity. Your hate of everything Gallente is one of the reasons there is no peace, and the same goes for Gallenteans that act the same way as you. That's really just my thoughts Miss.

I don't hate you Miss Kim. I don't want you to hate me.

Miss Aubbes...

It's refreshing to hear something besides the Nationalist Stereotype Grandstand from someone. Perhaps it's merely the time I left, but mindless slavering of the U-Nat sort was very much in fashion (as was their opposite number) and I laud your display of scrupulous intent.

So, I offer you this advice;

Don't bother with Kim. I did. So have others. It remains a colossal waste of time from a considerably more naive version of myself. It's not worth the effort even to convert atmosphere into ordered sound in that direction.

You're Gallente. You're hated, because everything you represent is hated. When someone like that runs out of obvious targets, they go after everything else in a blind panic brought on by a sudden lack of purpose. Fortunately, in this case, any threats you get will be empty ones. She never leaves the warzone to carry them out. So, please, carry on with your day, and know that some people need an excuse to exist as they do, and it really has nothing to do with you, or your actions.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117

James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#45 - 2016-11-28 01:56:55 UTC  |  Edited by: James Syagrius
Today, a proposal died in the Villore Assembly committee dedicated to Federal and State issues.

Now that is in and of itself no large matter, proposals fail all the time. But strangely enough, it was a proposal addressing the very topic of Federal detention facilities.

Ironically, we have Ms. Kim to thank for its failure.

You see, just as discussions were concluding and the proposal was about to be approved, despite my best efforts, Ms. Kim, made her... statement. Not only was her timing perfect, but her content… exact, down to the very order of locations and wording.

So, was it simply ego Ms. Kim, or something uglier?

Why one wonders, you would want to undermine a proposal addressing the very thing you claim to wish addressed? Well, no matter I suppose. Congratulations my dear, you killed it, better than I ever could.

Who knows, we may uncover a spy or three to boot.
Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#46 - 2016-11-28 04:07:35 UTC
I'm shaken. Oh no, the great Villore Assembly, that group of greatest capsuleers who again and again have been an active force of selfless good in New Eden, who are so very relevant, and to whom the Empires jump to obey? And, and, that wretched Diana Kim once again foiled their noble and very very important plan to address this great injustice!? How dare she!!!! Why, the only way this could have happened is... spies, of course! The Caldari must have infiltrated... yes, infiltrated this Gallente exemplar of human rights activism and agent of popular voice! Oh, no, how could we? We stopped them from addressing this! How could we stop such a very very big deal??? How many countless lives would their addressing have saved, like all those other forum posts they made did? Oh, the humanity!!!

Boo hoo hoo, a worthless capsuleer proposal died. Why'd you let us know?

Quit throwing bluster. Tell us what it was and prove that it actually would have done something more than just call for another pompous, bold-verb-filled IGS 'resolution' post from VA that's not worth the time it takes to read. Did you have to have a meeting just to whine about it to the public: "zomg dk spai everywhere"?

~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~

"Orte Jaitovalte sitasuyti ne obuetsa useuut ishu. Ketsiak ishiulyn." -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka

Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#47 - 2016-11-28 04:09:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Neph
I'm not saying Kim-haani is totally right. I'm not saying this issue's black and white, that the State haven't done just as bad, or that awareness isn't the first step to fixing this situation. I am saying that we need to pay lots of attention to VA so their egos don't get bruised.

~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~

"Orte Jaitovalte sitasuyti ne obuetsa useuut ishu. Ketsiak ishiulyn." -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka

Merchant Rova
Tidal Lock
Vapor-Lock
#48 - 2016-11-28 06:59:51 UTC
Neph wrote:
Did you have to have a meeting just to whine about it to the public: "zomg dk spai everywhere"?

Now, I'm no expert on the mind of Mr. Syagrius, but it just MIGHT have been a joke. Maybe.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#49 - 2016-11-28 09:36:43 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:
Today, a proposal died in the Villore Assembly committee dedicated to Federal and State issues.

Now that is in and of itself no large matter, proposals fail all the time. But strangely enough, it was a proposal addressing the very topic of Federal detention facilities.

Ironically, we have Ms. Kim to thank for its failure.

You see, just as discussions were concluding and the purposely was about to be approved, despite my best efforts, Ms. Kim, made her... statement. Not only was her timing perfect, but her content… exact, down to the very order of locations and wording.

So, was it simply ego Ms. Kim, or something uglier?

Why one wonders, you would want to undermine a proposal addressing the very thing you claim to wish addressed? Well, no matter I suppose. Congratulations my dear, you killed it, better than I ever could.

Who knows, we may uncover a spy or three to boot.

TLDR:
"We are monsters, but since you proved to everyone around that we are monsters, we will continue being monsters".

Worst comeback ever, Syagrius. Worst. Comeback. Ever.
Like anyone would even consider you would stop doing it anyway?


Oh, if you wish to know why I posted it, sure, I'll give you a name: Merchant Rova. We had a conversation a bit ago, he was first saying Gallente weren't committing anything like that, then were pointing out that we were doing the same "In Ikoskio" - well I checked it, there were nothing. So I posted this, pointing on Federals. And what we have from Rova now? Personal attacks instead of facts, claiming that's "New low for me". Well, duh.

Looks like it is new low for you, Merchant Rova! Oh, and for your co-singer Saya Ishikari, who crawled out from under her rock just to troll me here. If you are so hard trying to spit bile out of your mouth, Federals, it means we are doing everything right.

Keep trying. But also remember: your words will remain empty, and what I have posted about these facilities every reader can verify. Maybe you have more "voices" than us, but your pathetic democratic approach will fail, we'll just keep weeding you out.

Because the truth and strength are on our side.
Glory to the State!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#50 - 2016-11-28 09:43:32 UTC
Neph wrote:
I am saying that we need to pay lots of attention to VA so their egos don't get bruised.

I'll go polish my Heavy Rapid Attention Launchers.

Oh, and drop me a note if you will know if they have any citadels, control towers or customs offices nearby.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Skyweir Kinnison
Doomheim
#51 - 2016-11-28 11:26:18 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:

So, was it simply ego Ms. Kim, or something uglier?

Why one wonders, you would want to undermine a proposal addressing the very thing you claim to wish addressed? Well, no matter I suppose. Congratulations my dear, you killed it, better than I ever could.

Who knows, we may uncover a spy or three to boot.


Spying is a strange accusation for a democratic assembly that should be entirely transparent and thus accountable to the people. However, the idea of surveillance is more apposite.

There are no votes in being 'soft on terrorism' - and the insurgency in Black Rise makes it all too easy for the media to characterise the militia wars as 'FDU heroes against Protectorate villains'. The whole sorry mess of the so-called faction wars provide the holo-channels endless prime time sensations, and the celebrity caché of capsuleers and their exploits.

As a small example, in my own constituency there is a sizeable population of Minmatar, mostly escaped from slavery or poverty. They have no love for anything of the State as an ally of their one time oppressor and thus any talk of providing constitutional rights to what they regard as as 'collaborators that have made the bed they now lie in' is guaranteed to get me roundly heckled. (I'm glad to say my majority is enough to bear such a stance, since at election time fiscal responsibility always outweighs jingoism).

Of course the frustration of your proposal is something uglier. Commander Kim is the finest product of Director Blaque's propaganda efforts. The FIO has a vested interest in maintaining the camps in their current deplorable state, because it is politically advantageous to the administration. Kim's timing and extermination rhetoric are entirely designed to provoke the fear and hatred so easily roused in the electorate. Look not to the State when this happens, but much closer to home.

Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#52 - 2016-11-28 13:33:47 UTC
At first I was going to reply to show how wrong position of Skyweir Kinnison's was... but then I encountered this pearl:
Skyweir Kinnison wrote:
Commander Kim is the finest product of Director Blaque's propaganda efforts.

Wow.
Is this man insane or just a troll?

I think that just invalidates everything he spoke of and I really don't need to point on his other pearls and just say, that his answer wasn't something to be considered as serious.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#53 - 2016-11-28 14:39:19 UTC
Well in the litteral sense your right, though as a few people have said in the past you do act as a caricature of exactly what his propaganda wants you to believe. Not saying whether it's justly argued or not because, let's face it I don't want to argue semantics and what constitutes a lie vs a general opinion based on conduct, perceived or otherwise, with you.
Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#54 - 2016-11-28 15:38:11 UTC
Merchant Rova wrote:
Neph wrote:
Did you have to have a meeting just to whine about it to the public: "zomg dk spai everywhere"?

Now, I'm no expert on the mind of Mr. Syagrius, but it just MIGHT have been a joke. Maybe.


I admit, my wit's not known to be dry. If it were a joke, then my apologies, Mr. Syagrius, that was a good one.

~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~

"Orte Jaitovalte sitasuyti ne obuetsa useuut ishu. Ketsiak ishiulyn." -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka

Elanion
#55 - 2016-11-28 16:28:35 UTC
Neph wrote:

I admit, my wit's not known to be dry. If it were a joke, then my apologies, Mr. Syagrius, that was a good one.
With our characteristic humor we bemuse even ourselves, Mlle Neph. Few would fault your wit for such same.

RIP YC111-115"The project discarded, its subjects forgotten... thence must the burden be shouldered."

Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2016-11-28 17:19:49 UTC
Skyweir Kinnison wrote:

As a small example, in my own constituency there is a sizeable population of Minmatar, mostly escaped from slavery or poverty. They have no love for anything of the State as an ally of their one time oppressor and thus any talk of providing constitutional rights to what they regard as as 'collaborators that have made the bed they now lie in' is guaranteed to get me roundly heckled. (I'm glad to say my majority is enough to bear such a stance, since at election time fiscal responsibility always outweighs jingoism).
.


Where exactly is this republic of non-idiots that you have for yourself?

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost

Skyweir Kinnison
Doomheim
#57 - 2016-11-28 18:44:02 UTC
Jason Galente wrote:
[quote=Skyweir Kinnison]

Where exactly is this republic of non-idiots that you have for yourself?


Solitude, Octanneve arrondissement, député to the Eloise-Goins Assembly.

The people of Solitude are frontier stock in the main, with many traditions and nations keen on self-reliance and entrepreneurial success. We're a long way from the Senate (even though Director Blaque was originally a senator from the region). Proximity to the Amarr Empire means we get a lot of escaped slaves willing to start a new life and with the dedication to work hard and appreciate freedom. We're familiar with needing to rely on ourselves as the repulsion of Kador's invasion demonstrates.

Thus, whilst my constituents are supportive of the Constitution and the Federal Navy, they tend to be keen on the more libertarian wing of the Progressive Party - low taxes, small government and watch the budget like a hawk. The faction wars seem very far away, and the vast quantity of tax raised to pay off the militias for a very minimal return is less than popular.

All politics is local, as my father used to counsel.

Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.

Kasari Ketokama
State War Academy
Caldari State
#58 - 2016-11-28 18:59:51 UTC
Let's hope they round up some more of this provist scum. I for one won't shed a single tear for every one of those who gets capped. They deserve some of their own medicine.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#59 - 2016-11-28 19:17:54 UTC
Also "It's the Economy, stupid."

Things work a bit differently in The State, but none of the voting blocs enjoy high-faluting moral policies that directly contribute to a worse bottom-line with no counter-valing service in return.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#60 - 2016-11-28 23:08:30 UTC
Neph wrote:
Merchant Rova wrote:
Neph wrote:
Did you have to have a meeting just to whine about it to the public: "zomg dk spai everywhere"?

Now, I'm no expert on the mind of Mr. Syagrius, but it just MIGHT have been a joke. Maybe.


I admit, my wit's not known to be dry. If it were a joke, then my apologies, Mr. Syagrius, that was a good one.

I recall James, and the conversations we shared, back in the day. His wit is quite dry, but also rather well applied.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117