EVE General Discussion

It doesn't make any sense to use a Navy Domi or Nestor for sentries, the normal Domi is much better at that. Especially for low SP characters.

back in the days i used passive shield arty cane and passive shield drake ( purger) ...... now faction bcs should be able to do these level 4 missions or? Rail Brutix Navy or Harbinger navy with beams!

hmm, OP wanted the cheapest if not neccesarily the fastest.......

Get a drake, a drake BC (t1) with t2 missiles can still do level 4's and depending on fitting choices requires minimal to no cap management.

Might take a bit longer than some other ships...but you can fit it for under 75 million isk and do Lv4's without having to warp in and out.

And yeah b4 anyone goes and tries to knock me for mentioning the drake, the drake of today can still do nullsec anoms solo in the right hands.....
And I have used the Drake to help teach newbros how to manage their cap by having them do lv4's solo from the first time they can access them. (Yes, first few missions you go in cloak and watch...only intefere if they are really require it, otherwise give helpful hints over voice comms, and let them do the mission themselves.)

Vexor Navy Issue, afterburner, heavy drones and armor reppers seem to be a thing out in my neighbourhood.

Personally I like a sentry fit Dominix rigged for max DPS with MJD - range is my tank. I am also lazy, so there is that to consider.

No offence, and I dont mean to derail thread, but there is something that chafes me the wrong way about flying 1bil ships in HS for L4s.

Yes, I get that everyone plays in the sandbox in their own way.
Yes, I get HS is "safe", and L4s are profitable, grindable if you have a system, even better when blitzed.
Yes, I get that PvE farming in null sov is even more "safe" and profitable.

Iwas watching a streamer run salvage/loot Worms in HS with Orca boost, just waiting for some entitled HS L4 farmer to engage.
He stole tags off wrecks and salvaged the rest. Good isk.
If he was engaged, he orbitted close, immune, ans scramming.
The he gave an ultima5um, pay ransom and abandon ship of I will destroy you.

Hed turn on neuts and destroy active tanks so either the NPC spawns0 fi nishes him, or drones etc whittle him down.
If they agreed ro ransom, hed then scram the capsule too, and destroy that too if possible. Cos. Then occupy the abandoned ship and fly it off to add to his collection in a nearby station.

Plus the Killright came into play as either transferable to an ally to aggress a target too big to deal with alone, or for re-sale.

I found this heartening. I think I got the whole process, but I might be wrong on parts of it,

Flying insanly bling ships in HS to farm L4s is necessarily mitigated. Tbh, I wish it was even moreso.
The NS situa5ion is a different matter for another thread.
Focus your isk/sp on the right ship, not a bling ship.

But yeah. Bling L4 grinding in HS is a cancer. Dont do it with more than you need to complete.
Keep it modules at a bare minimum. The isk value of fits of HS L4 mission runners makes me pull my hair out (cos I dont have a setup to exploit them, yet...) Co pletely insane.

I guess my point, against my own interest as someone who provides the bling modules to market, is DONT use them in HS. Dont believe or regard the bling fits that shave a minute or two off completion. Its like walking around with a Rolex and gold teeth in a bad neighborhood. And yes, HS is a bad neighborhood, worse than NS in many ways.Also never, ever, engage someone looting your wrecks in HS. Let them have them.

my first lv 4 mission ship was a Sleipnir of all things. skill training helps alot when bringing in odd ships

but other ships i have under 1b for lv4

Sleipnir(600m)
Tengu(700m)
Legion(800m)
rattlesnake(900m), and then i blinged it cause it was so good. its now 2b+ and runs them 4x as fast
barghest(just under 1b)
armageddon fleet issue(mega pulse + drones. 1k dps combined. like a mini rattle) 500m
Claymore(750m, inferior to sleipnir)


ships i have above 1b
rattlesnake(2b+)
nestor(1.5b+), same idea of multiple dmg as rattlesnake. though focusing on drones for high dmg, and lasers for anti frig
Golem(3b? 4b? i give up....the urge to bling this is to much)
Paladin(2b)


all of these ships are over qualified for lv 4. mostly cause i don't want to worry to much.
if your ok watching every dmg point, and freaking out over any scrams that hit you, then you can go in stuff like the vagabond or other t2 cruisers.

heck hurricane and hurricane fleet can both handle it, though they need to be a bit careful at times and make sure their drones are up for a fight.


vexor can do it pretty easily with a drone dmg/ self tank set up

A Raven Battleship + Cruise + Micro Jump Drive + Target Painter. This is how I got into level 4 missions. I then have expanded to a Rattlesnake and a Machariel. I live in nullsec now, so I don't feel the need to go into a Marauder yet.

Any level 4 mission can be run by any standard T1 combat battleship.

For Minmatar, the Maelstrom is amazing. Great tank, and decent DPS with the option for damage type selection.

I don't know what you consider "bling" in this context. If you are talking about officer mods, I fully agree. If you refer to faction and deadspace mods, then I disagree.

Keeping modules at a bare minimum would mean snailing through missions which aren’t very exciting in the first place. Mining would be better than this.

Obviously you should never ever fit a faction or deadspace mod to compensate for bad skills. And there are some shiny mods out there which aren’t really better than their t2 counterpart..

My current HS L4 mission runner comes with a price tag of perhaps 1.6 bn ISK. Which is probably what you would consider too blingy. Personally I think 400m ISK mods are ok on a 1.2 bn ISK ship. And the tank is strong enough to make a gank attempt at least non trivial and probably unprofitable, especially with Bastion running.

Ok, I see what you mean, 1/4 module value makes sense for a consistent earner shipin relative safety,
I cant fault you for that, infact its great you have some restraint. More than many.

But even that makes me grit my teeth and consider figuring out how to hunt you.
Not cos of your ship kill, or tears, which I dont care about, (which is no profit to me) but that much potential module value.

I cant speak to the profit or mechanics of a gank, but seeing these bling builds/values flying around in HS with impunity just somehow irks me. Its irresponsible and unnecessary. Too easy for too little risk.

The more I read these L4 farm threads, the more I feel this way.

Im not saying people shouldnt be able to fit this way, but I am saying I may soon start considering how to take that bling off you and the many others flying like you.

Then again, let's not forget that EVE is an open economy, so these bling modules are only worth as much as certain players are willing to pay for them.
So before we hate on those highsec PVE guys with their pimpmobiles- they create the market demand every one of us needs, it's through them that our loot is worth something.
So, a big thank you to all you highsec PVE guys, keep on doing what you do! ♥