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Is there a ship that can do l4 easily and dont cost 1bil+

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Valkyrie Harkonnen
Doomheim
#1 - 2016-11-27 17:51:45 UTC
Mr Duffo
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#2 - 2016-11-27 17:54:17 UTC
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Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2016-11-27 18:02:37 UTC
if you don't have the skills then no there isn't ..

also easily as in can tank easily and kills fast, or just tank easy and can take longer to kill??


Valkyrie Harkonnen
Doomheim
#4 - 2016-11-27 18:06:16 UTC
Engage You wrote:
if you don't have the skills then no there isn't ..

also easily as in can tank easily and kills fast, or just tank easy and can take longer to kill??




Safest and Cheapest (if possible) not Fastest.

Considering this is a new character with only 1.5mil sp, would it be better to switch to Caldari if i went for Rattlesnake?
mkint
#5 - 2016-11-27 18:12:48 UTC
Any battleship can do lvl 4's. You may just have to over tank it until you figure out spawn patterns and can start trading in some tank for more DPS. I had a whole lot of fun doing lvl 4's in a talos, almost no tank, T2 blasters, good completion times. I knew the spawns and triggers, how to speed tank. I've done lvl 4's in an ishkur, and in an algos.

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#6 - 2016-11-27 18:17:04 UTC
Valkyrie Harkonnen wrote:
Engage You wrote:
if you don't have the skills then no there isn't ..

also easily as in can tank easily and kills fast, or just tank easy and can take longer to kill??




Safest and Cheapest (if possible) not Fastest.

Considering this is a new character with only 1.5mil sp, would it be better to switch to Caldari if i went for Rattlesnake?


Oh no, don't have to switch races, all you need is to train the proper skills.

A rattlesnake is the best ship to run l4 missions but you need more than 1.5mil sp and allocated in the proper skills.


If your just concerned about safety at this point then yes there are a few different ships to run l4 easily and are very cheap.

But that goes and depends on your skills as well, what are you good at, drones, missiles or turrets? shield or armour?

Xtreem
Knockaround Guys Inc.
#7 - 2016-11-27 18:29:26 UTC
Raven was always the go to ship back in the day, not sure if still the case?
Starrakatt
Empire Assault Corp
Dead Terrorists
#8 - 2016-11-27 18:37:32 UTC
Xtreem wrote:
Raven was always the go to ship back in the day, not sure if still the case?

Back then, a Raven hull was worth around 100m, while a Rattlesnake was 600m.

Now, a Raven hull is 170m and a Rattlesnake 390m.

Expensive haven't the same meaning as back then, and better afordability of faction hulls means they overshadow t1 BS hull any day.

That being said: Raven is perfectly fine, Rattler is better, but also more skill intensive.
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2016-11-27 18:48:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Elenahina
I've always been fond of the Navy Domi with Sentries.

Warp in at range, blap everything and then MWD around to scoop loot if you like.

The Nestor is also good at this, and tends to deal a bit more DPS, but it's close to 100 million more for the hull.

For the money, the typhoon fleet issue or the rattlesnake will give you just as good performance with at a 200 million ISK discount on the hull.

I guess the real question here is what can you fly?

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Iain Cariaba
#10 - 2016-11-27 18:59:40 UTC
Machariel also works well for blitzing missions. Either way, you're going to need a lot more properly allocated SP to efficiently run 4s in a t1 BS for less than 1bil.

Honestly though, F&I isn't the right forum for this thread. Ships and Modules seems like a much better place to get this info.
Valkyrie Harkonnen
Doomheim
#11 - 2016-11-27 19:24:21 UTC
Forum Toon
Doomheim
#12 - 2016-11-27 21:07:52 UTC
Gila
medium drone
passive shield
RLML with jav
AB and speed tank.

bonus: can use salvage drones if you are bored.
Shallanna Yassavi
qwertz corp
#13 - 2016-11-27 22:10:34 UTC
Battleships require more than 1.5M SP to work very well. Their modules guzzle cap, you will get hit a lot, and you will have problems applying damage, even with good skills. The "cheap" (usually tech 2) mods which will let you do these missions usually require very good fitting skills so you don't run out of fit space.

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Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#14 - 2016-11-28 01:49:17 UTC
Once you know what resists to tank, any T2 fit BS. On a similar level, knowing the damage weakness. Serpentis (Gallente missions) will deal Kin/ Therm. Sansha (Amarr - Blood/ Khanid) will deal EM/ Therm.

There were several mission conditions where a gate would drop you on to a cluster at their optimal and you took a beating even with 95% resists on the right two but they were usually ships that melted quite fast.
Boci
Ubiquitous Hurt
The WeHurt Initiative
#15 - 2016-11-28 01:50:36 UTC
As someone earlier mentioned, most non-fancy BS can be made to get through level 4s with proper targetting.

I used to have an entire list of "lowbie" Lvl4 BS, but have since lost those premade fits. The primary that springs to my mind though is a MJD Sentry Drone Domi.

Missions without entry gate simply warp to at 100k, check your triggers, pop tacklers early and MJD to range once things start getting close.

With entry gates, its basically the same thing, only you MJD as soon as you get into the room, and then again when things get close.

Can't see fittings right now, but basically:

Highs: 2x Drone Ling Augmentor, 4x whatever (rails if you feel like shooting too)
Mids: 2x Omnidirectional Tracking Link w/ Optimal Range scripts, 1x MJD, 1x Sensor Booster w/ Range Script - leaves 1 spot; can do another Omni for more drone range, a prop mod, cap recharger...your choice
Lows: 3xDDA, 1x Rep, MIssion Resists
Rigs: Probably tank related, using Sentry damage rigs only net another 4% dps or so


Can use similar ideas with missile boats, but then youre counting volleys and its a giant PITA.

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#16 - 2016-11-28 01:53:11 UTC
pirate bs prices are so low you could really go with just about anything but a marauder for under 1bil. If you want some more specific recommendations your budget and skills would help. You say you have 1.5m sp so for now I'd probably look for something you can fit a micro jump drive to and use it as either a panic button, or something to control range and snipe things as they approach you and can't do much damage.

Raven with cruise and shield tank. The thing has been popular for years thanks to requiring almost no brain cells to fly
dominix with sentry drones and armor or shield tank, the thing is pretty flexible. Also with drones it is very easy to fly.
Minny bs: I don't have a clear favorite mostly because the mach is so strong. the maelstrom seems pretty good for a t1 option.
Apoc for amarr, em/therm isn't too bad of a damage type as long as you aren't constantly shooting gurista/angel pirates.

Of course for the most part navy versions work as well or better.

as for pirate bs at this point pushing one over 1b requires a bunch of bling, and will mostly consist of using faction damage mods which aren't needed for the most part.
Machariel: amazing ship 100% recommend. super fast, hard hitting, tank may be a bit light if you aren't used to the missions
rattlesnake: tons of tank and damage, although the thing is a bit too slow for me.
nightmare: awesome laser platform. great projection and damage with tachyons, and can run a large shield tank on top.
barghest: great missile platform, and the ship is pretty fast.

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Kosomot
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Miners Of Independence
#17 - 2016-11-28 02:03:05 UTC
Not cost a billion sure.

I fly a dominix for lvl 4 sentry sniper.

couple hundred million maybe 225.

t2 fix, t2 drones (t2 sentries changed my Mission Life).

slow as hell and you look like a shoe but works really well.

and yes any BS fitted with appropriate skills gets the job done.

and it doesn't have to be cap stable if your smart.

or if you like t3's ...well then you are getting closer to a bill however way more fun than a BS.

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Conrad Makbure
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2016-11-28 02:07:34 UTC
Like mentioned above, drone BS are good for less than 1B isk and low-is SP level. Rattlesnake is really good, if you can fit it out right, else I personally liked the Navy Domi. With drone ships though, you'll spend a lot of time pulling drones back to bay when they catch agro, so you're not replacing drones all the time. It's a little better with the Rattlesnake because the ship traits buff the heavy drone HP by a large amount; you want to pair that ship up with a Gecko. The Rattlesnake might be worth the wait in SP training for it if you're patient enough.
Nakota Joe Nakota
Macabre Votum
Northern Coalition.
#19 - 2016-11-28 02:38:07 UTC
drake with passive tank can do l4's...but to be sure the navy drake can run them easier.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#20 - 2016-11-28 08:06:13 UTC
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