EVE General Discussion

I think this is also a good example of why dropping Corp, while crap and frustrating for wardeccers, needs to be there under any changes too.

Looking at it from the flip side, if you couldn't drop Corp during a war, wardec Corps could adjust their tactics to get perfect Intel on targets, by creating carebear corps with the specific aim to wardec them. Create a Corp, recruit, permawardec and maintain Intel on all targets constantly. Nothing that anyone could do.

I'm also pretty sure that the only reason war got any time with the csm is that raz has been berating them about it for like half a year straight at this point.
Sad thing is though we've had no visible traction with the Devs , not so much as a soon™.

My experience with the hisec wardec system has been purely to beat up people that were rude to me.
Hassling a group of miners/mission runners who think talking mad shyat from behind CONCORD skirts is a thing.
Any group big enough to make a wardec really economically worthwhile should be in nullsec somehow, out of corp haulers should be a no-brainer.
If you're a big group of years-old players scratching up all the hisec crumbs you deserve to get shot at more.
These threads remind me of the 5 year old pilot mining in Tolle who'd seriously never heard of Spodumain.
Anything that boots people out of the rookie pond is a good thing.

How about a fee for dropping corp/closing corp that will ultimately amount, per person to the initial war dec fee. Most dec dodgers are smaller corps really. Ive done it and Ive had others do it to me for various reasons over the years.

So the war dec fees given the current mechanics will be the 50mil base fee. Simply divide this by the amount of players that wish to leave or charge the corp 50mil if it is disbanded while at war. Leave the war dec active but the attackers get their war dec fee returned. Either that or have it be an isk sink with Concord for causing unnecessary paperwork while the corp is at war.

I dont think that cost would be too extreme for even newer players and might be a small discouragement even if it is only a fee payable to Concord.


Its still not very good I must admit. This is one of those harder issues to solve. I like Ralphs idea though that the fees should be reversed.

I've already explained years ago what needs to happen. Right now, there's no reason to have a corp in high sec, and no reason to stay in one. That needs to change. Corporations need to become commitments that players have to make.

what the hell are you talking about

What so you can force people who PAY REAL MONEY to CCP to play as they please to play the game how you want?

1. High Sec PvP is not PVP, it is killing mission runners and miners 9/10 fights are ganks
2. You don't go to low/wh/null because you wouldn't last ten minutes
3. You're not a pvp pilot, you may get kills but you are a noob with boosts, end of story

No, the second CCP forces players to play as the griefer community wants them to, eve is done

High Sec doesn't need corps?

Yeh go ahead, do away with all high sec corps and watch the market crash hard

You sir are dumb as ****

I never got my freedom toast.

Wait, so a country declares war against another and suddenly its citizens can't leave the country? Wow, better tell that to all the refugees around the world.

Well, I know how long I have lasted in both null and low, and I did fairly well if I say so myself. The most fun I had in Eve however was years ago in highsec. Those wars tend to be much more interesting in my opinion, especially if you manage to find an opponent your size or slightly bigger that doesn't instantly roll over and disband.

Now, there's not much that can be done to keep players from opting out of the war, neither should there be. If they don't want to fight for their corp and their stationary assets, they must be allowed to go. The reasons for this are varied and many, and some of them have already been brought forth.

However, not knowing whether your alleged opponent is even playing the game is an unnecessary annoyance. You wouldn't go play any other multiplayer game for hours on end if the server was empty and you didn't actually have opponents, would you? I experience that right now (on the defending side might I add, for everyone who's already waiting to yell "griefer!" at me), and it's just bullshit that I fly to a locator, he tells me exactly where the "scumsucker" is or whether he's docked or in space, but not if he is actually online. I get why there is no "free intel" through the watchlist, however, locator agents should at least tell me if I am fighting a person that actually exists in the game universe right now so I don't go searching for a supposed opponent for an hour, when he hasn't even logged in in days.

The next thing is the pricing. And yes - a smaller entity declaring war on a bigger one should be cheaper than vice versa. I suggested that years ago when they changed the wardec system. What I was told then was, that it would make it way too easy to harass big entities. So what? If you can harass a 500 strong alliance with 3 dudes, this alliance deserves to be harassed, because they are just terrible at the game.

And finally on the topic of corps having to be able to defend themselves: I agree with that. You can play the game perfectly fine without a corp and by extension without war. You can invite your friends to a mailing list, you can invite them to a chat, you can add each other to the buddylist, you can easily communicate and fleet up. What you cannot do is raise a flag, collect taxes, build your own structures, carry a common name. Nothing else in Eve comes for free and without a risk, so why should those? So yes, it is perfectly fine that evil "griefers" can attack a defenseless corporation of miners. If they are indeed defenseless, not willing or able to fight for those benefits, then they should not have them.