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Some brainstorming for some social features
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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2016-11-26 13:51:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
I don't think you understand where I'm coming from with what I just said, so before sperging again, let me make one thing clear: my choice of language in game reflects the rules set forth by the EULA. I clicked 'accept' on the same one as everyone else, the same license that allows me access to the servers at CCP's discretion. Not yours. And therein lies an interesting point - you, personally, are no authority over me of any kind, in any way, and will never be able to experience the thrill of controlling my language you seem to so desperately desire. Which is why your "this is what I would do" spiel is so cute. No, honestly, cute is the perfect descriptor for that little tantrum.

Roll I would recommend that you read your own writings a bit more closely, you seem to forget what you type. For my understanding, the way you write here in your responses puts you into a category of people who rather than staying within a rule framework bend the rules to the maximum possible extend and beyond that without making it look like rule violations. With all things that navigate around gray areas of the EULA, it is in the authority of the moderators to interpret the rules and decide whether a violation occurred.

Just to give you one example of a situation that I had the pleasure of experiencing lately: A guy came into a channel I moderate. Soon after he joined he started talking about jews and quickly descended into explicitly implicit racial slurs without using explicitly EULA violating phrases. After several friendly attempts to make him stop using this language, the moderators came to the conclusion that his behavior was unacceptable and not only violating channel specific but also TOSEULA rules. Again, just judging by your responses here, you are one of these people and as a moderator the rules very well give moderators the power to control your language.


No, I know exactly what I'm writing, and what I'm saying. Never did I imply that I intend to break the rules. That was YOUR own interpretation, but something I did not either say nor allude to. Don't put me in categories, mate, especially when you struggle with reading comprehension.

I was specifically referring to language policing. I won't break the rules in game, but if I say something that offends you, and you try to police me for it, I'm going to say it more. If it's not against the rules, then the problem is a personal one.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#22 - 2016-11-26 16:01:49 UTC
It is humoring to see how quickly people accuse someone disagreeing with their opinion of lacking reading comprehension. In particular when those same people say that they will not respect channel moderators (Quote Ramiel: "you, personally, are no authority over me of any kind") if those moderators would tell these people to tone down their condescending behavior and stop their childish behavior (Quote Ramiel: " if someone tries to police my language, I'll start saying exactly what offended them even more often when they're around just to remind them that I can.").

My example was exactly about language policing, how actually rule breaking phrasing was not used, and how the rules vest moderators with the power to police your wording if you don't stop using these implicitly rule breaking phrasings.

In any case, if nothing else, your behavior is a perfect example for why player controlled moderation of public channels, especially busy public channels where you do not have the time to actually assess the situation properly, is a very bad idea.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2016-11-27 01:54:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Rivr Luzade wrote:
In particular when those same people say that they will not respect channel moderators (Quote Ramiel: "you, personally, are no authority over me of any kind") if those moderators would tell these people to tone down their condescending behavior and stop their childish behavior (Quote Ramiel: " if someone tries to police my language, I'll start saying exactly what offended them even more often when they're around just to remind them that I can.").


Mate, you aren't reading the words that I am using. You are not my moderator, of anything. Which is why you have no authority over me. I never said anything, literally nothing, about not respecting channel moderators. Just ask the ISDs in help channel.

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My example was exactly about language policing, how actually rule breaking phrasing was not used, and how the rules vest moderators with the power to police your wording if you don't stop using these implicitly rule breaking phrasings.
Which is what made you example irrelevant. I don't break the rules in game. I do **** some people off, but I don't break the rules. I've even been reported for 'breaking the rules' but because I haven't broken the rules, I've never had a problem.

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In any case, if nothing else, your behavior is a perfect example for why player controlled moderation of public channels, especially busy public channels where you do not have the time to actually assess the situation properly, is a very bad idea.


My behaviour is my concern. If you want to manage someone's behaviour, and talk down to them about it, go adopt a kid. If you want to help moderate in-game channels, then you can apply to CCP to become a GM. Don't be a crap one though. Some of them have been.... well, a little overzealous and heavy handed. They actually don't last long.

See, CCP try NOT to kick and ban people too much, and rarely do except for major infractions. They understand, in that department anyway, that the key to growing a strong gaming community is to keep them around.

And if all you're going to do is make personal character judgements of me, how and what are you contributing to the topic?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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