Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Yes, it is extremely ego centric to think you can live in sov null (dangerous space) and not be in fleet in PvP ships 100% of the time when at risk. That's entirely my point.

An honest question, why are you opposed to ratting in fleets at the same sites as your corp mates? Doing that makes hot drops irrelevant. Null isn't designed for solo play.

There is a counter. Cloaky camping is only an issue in sov null. Where you should be in fleet, on comms and ready to PvP 24/7. If you're ratting or mining in groups with a standing defense fleet in system, you won't be hot dropped, and if you are, you will get a nice juicy multi billion ISK kill from killing the hot droppers.

If you're in a nullsec corp and someone is ratting or mining solo while not in a standing fleet and on comms (the only people who actually die to blops), I suggest giving them a one time warning and then kicking them from corp, as they really shouldn't be in null.

How many ships have died to someone with an active cloak? Link me specific killmails please. Or, (and this is shocking) is the balance that a cloaked ship can't attack anyone or earn any isk while cloaked?

/gasp!

Literally the only people who whine about AFK cloaking are nullsec PvE-ers who hate to have to not min/max their ISK generation and *actually* defend their space. So again, rat and mine in groups in PvP fits while on comms. Problem solved.

Hell, I've been yelled at by leadership in nullsec for undocking in a PvP ship to bait a cloaked ship in system. Apparently we "didn't want to risk a hot drop, so change systems or stay docked". That was the day I left that corp. People with that attitude need to stay in high sec.

That's not entirely true. PvE'ers have traditionally argued from an empire builder perspective; using words such as 'sovereign rights' to question why they aren't allowed to purge unwanted visitors from their space. Mission runners are generally immune to being cloaky camped, as they do their work in complexes which need to be scanned down anyway and which forbid cynos and warp-in spots. Miners on the other hand, find it impossible to operate with a cloaky camper in system. And rightly so: they work in predictable locations which you don't need to scan down, with none of the safeguards a mission runner enjoys. Since mining ships are only lightly armed, they do not even have the choice to defend themselves -- hence the complaints.

Now, PvP'ers are a wholly different bunch. They too get frustrated when there is a cloaky target in system they are powerless to engage; and get even more frustrated when an enemy keeps cloaky eyes on a gate guaranteeing no fun fights will be had in systems at either end of the gate.

It's not just the nullsec PvE'ers who think there is room for improvement. I've heard frustration from wormholers and die-hard PvP'ers as well -- they only voice different concerns.

The PvE'er may think he's entitled to good intel because they own the system. And such is a valid point: they DO in fact own the system after all, aye?

The PvP'er on the other hand won't demonstrate the same sense of entitlement, instead downplaying the #noSkill #noEffort gameplay of their cloaky counterparts, and move on. This does not mean, however, that everything is fine.

Perhaps it is time to acknowledge this. Not all points raised in this thread came from ratters; and it's not just sov null either, but also NPC null, lowsec. Wormholers obviously won't complain about AFK cloakers because there is no reason to do it AFK; although parking a scanner alt in a hole to evict the residents is also a thing you know? I happen to know more than a few ex-wormhole residents who weren't all too pleased with the inability to defend their hole by purging unwanted elements.

Downplaying it to merely a sov null ratter issue will not advance discussion -- It'll just keep the wheel turning for another 400 pages.

AFK-cloaking is the product of sovnull-alliances using local as their primary source of intel. It is the direct counter to the 100% accurate intel given by local. Nobody else sees cloaks as being overpowered. Stop whining.

I propose we get a new module. I call it the Invulnerability hardener. You can activate it as long as no one have locked you. You can stay invulnerable as long as you want and it costs nothing to activate. Some specialized ships should also be able to warp around invulnerable in the same system. The only drawback is that you can't use any other module when its active and some other random side effect on your ship when its fitted, not that relevant.

If you ever find yourself in a sticky situation you just have to click that button and go invulnerable. If you happen to be hunted by pirates or hostile enemy's or even if you have managed to somehow wind up in the heart of your enemy's main staging system. Just click that button, bam, invulnerable!

It should put you invulnerable for as long as you like to so as to make you be in full control of your ship without anyone being able to harm you. Full safety and security. Only when it fits you and not one moment earlier can you come out of invulnerability and go about your business what ever that being mining, pvping or whatever that may be. No restrictions and completely safety meaning, if you happen to be camped it all turns into a waiting game to see who has the most patience.

But wait there is more. If you ever happen to feel like it and having access to one of the invulnerability warping capable ships can you quickly warp to safe spot and log out without giving enough time for anyone to probe you down and harm you.

Invulnerability hardener, the best idea EvE forums have ever seen.

You are here to troll anyone calling for an end to sad AFK game play.

My point is what I said, you are defending AFK play, you are a typical sappy Eve player pretending to be tough when all you want to do is jump on null sec players that you can kill easily, and then run away, and you hate local because they can warp away before you can get on them, pathetic, get away with you weak troll...

You whine about local because you cannot get a point on people, oh dear I am reported, doh!!!!. That is what your game is hit and run and emphasis on the run part, stay in your wormhole and leave null sec to real men who can deal with local when getting kills, not people who whine at the sight of their name in local.

You ignored the post right above this comment. What do you think about the invulnerability module? Or did you run out of words cause you for once see the error in your logic?

Idiots like you forget that the cloaking module also helps people make isk in perfect safety. Cuts both ways.