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Two Thoughts And Possibly A Third....

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TackyTachy1
Doomheim
#1 - 2016-11-26 05:47:58 UTC
There's an ad on my launcher that says massive discounts on ship skins.

Thought One: Massive discounts are an indicator they can't give the things away.

Thought Two: Main mantra/meme here in the Eve 'Verse is never fly what you can't afford to lose, therefore if you expect your pride and joy to shortly become naught but scattered blood stained pixels across the GUI then why should you want a snazzy paint job on said doomed vessel?

Possible Thought Three: Is it possible CCP's marketing mavens screwed the marketing pooch by birthing the whole ship skins concept?

Inquiring minds, etc.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2016-11-26 05:56:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
You think too much.

But to answer your question, no. Skins are fine since once you own skins for any given ship, they are applicable to all copies of that ship. Losing a ship doesn't mean you lose the skin as well. They are quite reasonably priced, even without discounts, and I've bought my fair share to snazzy up some assault frigates I like to use often.

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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#3 - 2016-11-26 05:59:20 UTC
TackyTachy1 wrote:
Thought One: Massive discounts are an indicator they can't give the things away.


Or that the marginal cost of production is essentially 0 and they can milk things whenever they so choose.

TackyTachy1 wrote:
Thought Two: Main mantra/meme here in the Eve 'Verse is never fly what you can't afford to lose, therefore if you expect your pride and joy to shortly become naught but scattered blood stained pixels across the GUI then why should you want a snazzy paint job on said doomed vessel?


You know skins don't go boom, right? Once you have it you can apply it to that ship over and over. I'll never lose a white Stratios again, for instance, and all my Confessors get to chose between normal, white, black, and captain america.
TackyTachy1
Doomheim
#4 - 2016-11-26 06:00:01 UTC
How can one possibly "Think Too Much"?

And yet, the whole massive discounts thing.
I had a skin once, why they gave it to me I've not a clue, and then it disappeared, along with the frigate i had it on.

Way it goes sometimes.

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2016-11-26 06:12:41 UTC
TackyTachy1 wrote:
How can one possibly "Think Too Much"?

And yet, the whole massive discounts thing.
I had a skin once, why they gave it to me I've not a clue, and then it disappeared, along with the frigate i had it on.

Way it goes sometimes.


The massive discount thing, it has been explained to you, the marginal cost is damn small, 0 is a pretty good approximation.

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Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#6 - 2016-11-26 06:39:32 UTC
I find they are used to milking the "if you want it now you overpay crowd" and then a while later they will drop the price. Like the collectors stuff, skins, plex, you name it. They ARE a business after all.

Imo skins are overpriced, not cuz they are in a sense but cuz of the amount of time I spend in a particular ship versus the availability of skins I actually like versus the amount of accounts. I rarely find a skin at a decent price thats good enough and worthwhile enough to even bother with. And they seem to be slow at coming out with new ones, again a marketing design issue than actual design issues.

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Carter Taistealai
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2016-11-26 07:46:02 UTC
CCP should take look at Planetside 2 and the way it handles skins. Most of the skins sold on the PS2 store are player designed. The player gets a cut of the sale price as do Daybreak obviously for hosting the store front. Some of the "players" make an actual living selling these.

Obviously there would be some infrastructure needed to ensure compliance with the games standards and to ensure quality (not every submitted skin makes it into the market in PS2). Also because real monies and incomes are involved financial expertise is needed to ensure tax procedures are followed in a number of different countries. However it is doable as Daybreak have shown.

Would be a neat way to tap into the creative players, reward those players for their work and provide a steady stream of new skin for folks who like them in game.
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2016-11-26 10:09:21 UTC
Pssst... The red colored skins make you go fastaaaah...
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#9 - 2016-11-26 10:40:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
TackyTachy1 wrote:
Thought One: Massive discounts are an indicator they can't give the things away.

Here's an alternative two thoughts:

1. Perhaps it's actually a case that CCP have moved the SKIN technology beyond what was previously possible (see the new Confessor SKIN as an example of the next generation in SKIN capabilities where textures can be more complex)

2. CCP actually explained all this to the community and these discounts are expected as they've been telegraphed for several weeks already, since Eve Vegas at least.
TackyTachy1
Doomheim
#10 - 2016-11-26 16:35:22 UTC
I like what they did in "Serenity", what was that, the Rievers? Bodies hanging off of ships, stuff like that, make damned cool skins. I don't use skins, personal preference, so I don't know if the Skiffs (and the rest of that class) had skins in the skin store. But then CCP outdid themselves with the new "look" for these miners so if skins they had there's no way they could work with the new art.

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SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#11 - 2016-11-26 16:51:26 UTC
TackyTachy1 wrote:
How can one possibly "Think Too Much"?




I think he may have been suggesting something about quantity Vs. quality.

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Tavari Minrathos
PC Load Letter
#12 - 2016-11-26 17:50:03 UTC
Something to consider, it is black Friday weekend here in the US, so many Americans are used seeing large sales this weekend. Large sales means its time to spend money.

CCP is simply cashing in on the silliness of American spending habits.
Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#13 - 2016-11-26 19:11:28 UTC
OP, as mentioned, skins don't disappear when the ship they're on pops. The skins are bound to the pilot (techno-magic like cloning or something I guess) so whichever ship of the type the skin is for the pilot makes active the pilot can choose to put that skin on it.
Skins sure are overpriced and mostly not all that interesting, though.

Carter Taistealai wrote:
CCP should take look at Planetside 2...
I agree. I've bought a few cosmetic things on planetside 2, mostly stuff designed by players. (play on PC - because pcmasterrace, of course :) ) Still a bit expensive, but not too bad. Tapping in to the creativity of your playerbase seems like a good idea to me...obviously CCP feels differently. Though iirc CCP has talked about tapping into the highly creative and dedicated EvE playerbase for quite some time, but hasn't actually done it (surprise!)

Seems a bit strange to me that in a game that emphasizes the importance of social groupings, CCP doesn't have skins unique to corps and alliances (and coalitions?) In another game I play, Warframe (yes...a f2p fps...don't judge me...), one can buy an access to making wearable clan and alliance logos. You submit your logo you designed within the parameters put out by the company and if they approve it they put in the game available for all the group members to buy (optional, but most everybody in a group does) Seems to me that if CCP did something similar in EvE - and lowered their prices a lot - we'd buy a bunch of corp / alliance / coalition ship skins designed by players...





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Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#14 - 2016-11-26 19:51:30 UTC
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Tapping in to the creativity of your playerbase seems like a good idea to me

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