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Gheeeed
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#61 - 2016-11-26 02:08:45 UTC
Agondray wrote:
why should a ship sell price be quoted with all the fittings, the ship is 1 item when you click on it, your items in the hanger are only counted as 1 stack of items per stack. you knew you went shopping, you knew you didn't unload the cargo and chose to trash the ship with out repacking.



You're simply wrong. It's not one item. It's several items. We're talking pretty basic logic here.

That's like saying your station container, which contains 100 items, is really only one item because the interface allows you to access it as single container that represents all 100 items. No - that would be stupid. It's 100 items plus the container.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2016-11-26 02:24:41 UTC
Gheeeed wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Gheeeed wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
So let me get this straight.

You used the ship to transport the modules you wanted for a new one.

You then got out of the ship prior to moving said modules to your item hangar.

You then somehow forgot they were in there, and trashed it.

The only mistake I see CCP making here was not including an IQ test at login.



Your post is idiotic. There's no need for that attack. You should actually read the thread and use your brain, instead of letting an emotional Pavlovian response take over your actions (someone complaining about something on the forums - I better say something mean). It's sad that there are so many aggressive, unthinking, offensive posters on this forum.


My post was a trap. It was intentionally antagonistic, because I already knew he did it because of something else, and I wanted to get to the bottom of what it was. It succeeded, and now we have an answer. Because literally nobody but this guy complains about trashing ships with stuff still inside it, because literally nobody but this guy does it.

Throughout my history on the forums, I've seen more people 'bragging' about accidentally trashing valuable stuff instead of complaining about it, only because it's funny as hell. I still remember one time, I was tired, and was trying to sell a faction cruiser of some kind (forget which one) and wound up trashing it somehow. Didn't complain at all, knew it was my own dumb fault, and took responsibility for it. See, here's the thing. This is one of EVE's design features that it's had for a very very very long time, and for good reason. Because there's nothing wrong with it.



A trap? LOL. That's one of the most contrived attempts at saving face I've ever seen.

"...and now we have an answer." And what answer is that? That he was tired and the interface design failed in having a basic sanity check? That's your justification for promoting bad, inconsistent design? Pretty pathetic.


Save face from what? You? Who are you?

The interface design shouldn't need a sanity check. He's an adult and should be able to manage his own sanity. If you were expecting the game to infantilise its playerbase, you've got the wrong game. The interface is fine. The responsibility for the error is his own.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Gheeeed
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#63 - 2016-11-26 02:38:05 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Gheeeed wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Gheeeed wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
So let me get this straight.

You used the ship to transport the modules you wanted for a new one.

You then got out of the ship prior to moving said modules to your item hangar.

You then somehow forgot they were in there, and trashed it.

The only mistake I see CCP making here was not including an IQ test at login.



Your post is idiotic. There's no need for that attack. You should actually read the thread and use your brain, instead of letting an emotional Pavlovian response take over your actions (someone complaining about something on the forums - I better say something mean). It's sad that there are so many aggressive, unthinking, offensive posters on this forum.


My post was a trap. It was intentionally antagonistic, because I already knew he did it because of something else, and I wanted to get to the bottom of what it was. It succeeded, and now we have an answer. Because literally nobody but this guy complains about trashing ships with stuff still inside it, because literally nobody but this guy does it.

Throughout my history on the forums, I've seen more people 'bragging' about accidentally trashing valuable stuff instead of complaining about it, only because it's funny as hell. I still remember one time, I was tired, and was trying to sell a faction cruiser of some kind (forget which one) and wound up trashing it somehow. Didn't complain at all, knew it was my own dumb fault, and took responsibility for it. See, here's the thing. This is one of EVE's design features that it's had for a very very very long time, and for good reason. Because there's nothing wrong with it.



A trap? LOL. That's one of the most contrived attempts at saving face I've ever seen.

"...and now we have an answer." And what answer is that? That he was tired and the interface design failed in having a basic sanity check? That's your justification for promoting bad, inconsistent design? Pretty pathetic.


Save face from what? You? Who are you?

The interface design shouldn't need a sanity check. He's an adult and should be able to manage his own sanity. If you were expecting the game to infantilise its playerbase, you've got the wrong game. The interface is fine. The responsibility for the error is his own.



Yes. From me, and from anyone else reading this thread.

The interface design should, AND DOES ALREADY, have various sanity checks. The original poster's complaint points out one area where the game doesn't, and should. To be so vocally against it shows me you have some weird insecurity, or some other personal issue, that makes you attack the poster. As I said earlier - your posting is a typical aggressive Pavlovian response to a simple and valid concern.

You're a backwards thinker to believe that the interface "is fine" - as if there aren't a million improvements that could and should be made. You better e-mail CCP and tell them to stop wasting any and all time/money on the interface, genius.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2016-11-26 02:41:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Gheeeed wrote:



Yes. From me, and from anyone else reading this thread.



Incorrect. The majority of people reading this thread understand that the mistake OP made was the OP's responsibility. Anyone that understands the game with no more than one seventeenth of a neuron knows this. I don't have to save face with anyone that matters, sorry, because I'm simply right, and proved it when the OP admitted the fault was due to his own fatigue. You can kick and scream about that in denial all you want, but the world is gonna go on, the game is gonna continue with the majority of people not trashing their stuff by accident, and this thread will be forgotten as the pointless anomaly that it is.

CCP can't patch the cause of OP's failure. Even if that 'sanity check' was there, is there any guarantee he wouldn't have still made the same mistake? No, there really isn't. Tired people do stupid things regardless of the 'sanity checks' meant to stop them.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Gheeeed
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#65 - 2016-11-26 02:44:31 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Gheeeed wrote:



Yes. From me, and from anyone else reading this thread.



Incorrect. The majority of people reading this thread understand that the mistake OP made was the OP's responsibility. Anyone that understands the game with no more than one seventeenth of a neuron knows this. I don't have to save face with anyone that matters, sorry, because I'm simply right, and proved it when the OP admitted the fault was due to his own fatigue. You can kick and scream about that in denial all you want, but the world is gonna go on, the game is gonna continue with the majority of people not trashing their stuff by accident, and this thread will be forgotten as the pointless anomaly that it is.



You contrived a junkpile of a reply, pretending that your insulting, aggressive, idiotic post was "a trap", like you're some sort of crafty forum detective. LOL. How laughable. So yes, you were trying to save face. You failed.

You still haven't addressed the fundamental issue of the inconsistencies of sanity checks that the interface offers. All you have are insults and blame against the original poster. Why are you even in this thread? To point and laugh at someone's misfortune? Are you really that empty? Get well soon.
Specia1 K
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#66 - 2016-11-26 02:49:17 UTC
OP messed up. Plain and simple.
Bet he never does that again.

No fix required. Lesson learned.

Champion of the Knights of the General Discussion

Thunderdome
Gheeeed
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#67 - 2016-11-26 02:51:29 UTC
Specia1 K wrote:
OP messed up. Plain and simple.
Bet he never does that again.

No fix required. Lesson learned.


Wrong. The interface should show approximate ISK value, just like it does with refining and market transactions.

THAT is what's plain and simple. You can not disagree unless you are promoting interface inconsistency, or promoting the removal of all sanity checks in the game (either of those options are terrible, but at least you'll be self-consistent in your beliefs).
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2016-11-26 02:51:51 UTC
Gheeeed wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Gheeeed wrote:



Yes. From me, and from anyone else reading this thread.



Incorrect. The majority of people reading this thread understand that the mistake OP made was the OP's responsibility. Anyone that understands the game with no more than one seventeenth of a neuron knows this. I don't have to save face with anyone that matters, sorry, because I'm simply right, and proved it when the OP admitted the fault was due to his own fatigue. You can kick and scream about that in denial all you want, but the world is gonna go on, the game is gonna continue with the majority of people not trashing their stuff by accident, and this thread will be forgotten as the pointless anomaly that it is.



You contrived a junkpile of a reply, pretending that your insulting, aggressive, idiotic post was "a trap", like you're some sort of crafty forum detective. LOL. How laughable. So yes, you were trying to save face. You failed.

You still haven't addressed the fundamental issue of the inconsistencies of sanity checks that the interface offers. All you have are insults and blame against the original poster. Why are you even in this thread? To point and laugh at someone's misfortune? Are you really that empty? Get well soon.


Why do you feel like you have to defend the OP here? Did he not speak for himself above in a calm, non-offended manner? He didn't seem offended to me, not one bit, he was quite articulate, actually. You, however, seem to feel the need to go completely postal for his honour. Why? You haven't actually even said anything that matters, just gotten all ragey for no reason. I don't get it. Anyway, I've made my point, if you wanna ignore it, be my guest. Nothing you say about me is relevant cuz you don't know me, and it's off-topic, so I have no reason to reply to any of it.

I can assure you, though, what you're doing right now is a good way to make sure no one on the forums ever takes you seriously. A really good way.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Specia1 K
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#69 - 2016-11-26 02:52:36 UTC
OP whinged in GD for something he did to himself.
Bet he never does that again.

No fix required. Lesson learned.

Champion of the Knights of the General Discussion

Thunderdome
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2016-11-26 02:54:20 UTC
Gheeeed wrote:
Specia1 K wrote:
OP messed up. Plain and simple.
Bet he never does that again.

No fix required. Lesson learned.


Wrong. The interface should show approximate ISK value, just like it does with refining and market transactions.

THAT is what's plain and simple. You can not disagree unless you are promoting interface inconsistency, or promoting the removal of all sanity checks in the game (either of those options are terrible, but at least you'll be self-consistent in your beliefs).


You're talking about one example of someone trashing something valuable, something there is no pattern of outside of fatigue on the part of the player who does it (OP wouldn't be the first), and suddenly we need sweeping game changes because of that?

What's plain and simple is, OP's belongings are OP's responsibility. Now, please continue to rant and rave about how wrong we are about that. It's meaningless of course, because we're not wrong, but go ahead and do it anyway.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Marcus Binchiette
Federal Vanguard
#71 - 2016-11-26 02:56:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Marcus Binchiette
Remiel Pollard wrote:


OKAY!!! Now we are getting somewhere.

So, you did these things because you were tired, not because of CCP's design. Glad we got the cleared up.

/thread


Normally accidents don't have one singular cause. They happen because of a series of events which take place, or countermeasures which fail and there is rarely one failing point. My being tired was one factor. The interface providing insufficient information was another.

As for the second problem the appropriate course of action is to make comment and bring it to the attention of CCP. As for the first issue, I should probably get a good night sleep and stop wasting my time chatting here.
Specia1 K
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#72 - 2016-11-26 02:57:16 UTC
Gheeeed wrote:
Specia1 K wrote:
OP messed up. Plain and simple.
Bet he never does that again.

No fix required. Lesson learned.


Wrong. The interface should show approximate ISK value, just like it does with refining and market transactions.

THAT is what's plain and simple. You can not disagree unless you are promoting interface inconsistency, or promoting the removal of all sanity checks in the game (either of those options are terrible, but at least you'll be self-consistent in your beliefs).


Working hard on a new interface for ya

Champion of the Knights of the General Discussion

Thunderdome
Gheeeed
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#73 - 2016-11-26 02:58:21 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:

Why do you feel like you have to defend the OP here? Did he not speak for himself above in a calm, non-offended manner? He didn't seem offended to me, not one bit, he was quite articulate, actually. You, however, seem to feel the need to go completely postal for his honour. Why? You haven't actually even said anything that matters, just gotten all ragey for no reason. I don't get it. Anyway, I've made my point, if you wanna ignore it, be my guest. Nothing you say about me is relevant cuz you don't know me, and it's off-topic, so I have no reason to reply to any of it.

I can assure you, though, what you're doing right now is a good way to make sure no one on the forums ever takes you seriously. A really good way.


Why? Because I feel like it. When I see idiots in action, sometimes I decide to speak against them. That's my personality. I hope you find that objectionable to your core.

Also, I've said plenty that matters. You chose to ignore it - or maybe you have trouble comprehending basic logic?

You didn't make a point. You jumped into this thread, figuratively reached into your pants to grab turds and throw them at people, and now you're acting confused when someone confronts you for it. I don't need to "know you" to say relevant things to you - your actions have told me enough.
Gheeeed
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#74 - 2016-11-26 03:01:54 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:

You're talking about one example of someone trashing something valuable, something there is no pattern of outside of fatigue on the part of the player who does it (OP wouldn't be the first), and suddenly we need sweeping game changes because of that?



HAHAHA. "sweeping game changes" - what are you even talking about? Are you drunk right now? Adding an ISK value to a single dialogue box is not a "sweeping game change" by any sane measure. Hmm, yeah, you must be drunk.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2016-11-26 03:21:29 UTC
Gheeeed wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:

You're talking about one example of someone trashing something valuable, something there is no pattern of outside of fatigue on the part of the player who does it (OP wouldn't be the first), and suddenly we need sweeping game changes because of that?



HAHAHA. "sweeping game changes" - what are you even talking about? Are you drunk right now? Adding an ISK value to a single dialogue box is not a "sweeping game change" by any sane measure. Hmm, yeah, you must be drunk.


Someone needing their hand held is not a reason to hold their hand. It is, however, a good reason to teach them how to get by without needing their hand held.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Gheeeed
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#76 - 2016-11-26 03:33:11 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Gheeeed wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:

You're talking about one example of someone trashing something valuable, something there is no pattern of outside of fatigue on the part of the player who does it (OP wouldn't be the first), and suddenly we need sweeping game changes because of that?



HAHAHA. "sweeping game changes" - what are you even talking about? Are you drunk right now? Adding an ISK value to a single dialogue box is not a "sweeping game change" by any sane measure. Hmm, yeah, you must be drunk.


Someone needing their hand held is not a reason to hold their hand. It is, however, a good reason to teach them how to get by without needing their hand held.


Still posting garbage I see. Let's briefly go over the timeline:

1) You bumbled your way into the thread with a trite attack against the original poster.
2) You then completely ignored the main point - inconsistencies with interface sanity checks.
3) You complained about being confronted about your behavior.
4) You incorrectly call the suggested improvement a "sweeping change" - you failed to address the deserved ridicule. No, I won't so easily forget your ridiculous claim. Address it or admit you're wrong.
5) You have no legitimate response, so you go back to (1) - insulting the original poster by insinuating he needed his hand held.

6) (future action, hopefully) You leave the thread with your head down in shame, as you should.
ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#77 - 2016-11-26 03:39:57 UTC
Moved to Player Feature and Ideas.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#78 - 2016-11-26 03:56:15 UTC
Gheeeed wrote:
irrelevant garbage


Let me reiterate for you, seeing as how you're trying very hard to ignore the point.

Someone needing their hand held is not a reason to hold their hand. It is, however, a good reason to teach them how to get by without needing their hand held.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Gheeeed
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#79 - 2016-11-26 04:10:20 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Gheeeed wrote:
irrelevant garbage


Let me reiterate for you, seeing as how you're trying very hard to ignore the point.

Someone needing their hand held is not a reason to hold their hand. It is, however, a good reason to teach them how to get by without needing their hand held.



You just recycled your same garbage post. You addressed nothing. Done wasting my time on you until you create an actual response.
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#80 - 2016-11-26 05:01:46 UTC
Marcus Binchiette wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Nothing requires you to use features you find annoying.




You misunderstand. The function is useful. The "feature" is annoying. The option to trash ship is used and wanted. The mechanic whereby cargo contained in said ship is also trashed (instead of being transferred to the item bay) is annoying an unwanted.

Also, please consider that if you can't be bothered fixing things which I and other user find annoying. Then you should be prepared to read a lot of replies from said annoyed people.

Actually, I understood perfectly; which together with this thread goes to show that annoyed is just an alternate spelling of idiot.

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