EVE General Discussion

No. If you bought plex in game and sold it to make a profit, that would be illegal. You were just helping a friend.

Such questions are always best asked in a petition.

Yes, I'm paranoid.

Do understand two things:

- posting correspondence with a GM on the forums is against the rules. You can share the result though.

- petitions made on a case-by-case basis. Just because they say "yes" for this particular situation, it does not mean they will say "yes" again for a similar situation. You will need to file another petition.

If your friend gives you the money first, and you use that to cover half the cost, it can't be claimed that you sold them to him.

You can buy as much PLEX from CCP as you want and then do with it what you want.

But beware of buying PLEX from market in game and then reselling it for money in real, that would be RMT.

Simply: Yes, it is. It's not what RMT is really meant for, but from CCPs Point of view there is no way to proof that you your friend is actually your friend and your are not dabbling in RMT. That you bought the Plex from CCP is a sign in your favor, but I wouldn't risk it.

Having run just even superficial ebay and google searches, it certainly seems so.

I didnt realize this had gone so far. Ofc, the sites/sellers might be fraudulent, but thats hardly better..

The sites and sellers presentation is very professional and developed, and on ebay, as their sales are tracked, they seem to be doing a lot of business. Ofc knowing the nefarious nature of EVE players, those might in part be re-sales to their own secondary accounts, alongside "positive" reviews and feedback, but the volume is significant.

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One seller claims to have sold over 6500 injectors, over 8000 PLEX for money and amongst other things, attempting to sell Capitols/JF/Titans.

That would be atleast:
-.42,770 euros from Injectors
- 82,960 euros from PLEX
+26 Capitol Ship sales ranging from 69 to 800 euros a piece.
+ Citadels and other Character sales.
Total: Est. 150,000 euros.

Rationally, almost all of this has been bought with isk (ie: funny money), and is now being sold for real money.
You cant beat CCPs PLEX price otherwise, without taking a significant fiscaĺ loss.

Product descriptions make no reference to how the ingame asset will be transferred to the purchaser.
Part of the are sold from Germany, part from UK, which is arbitrary, as the item transfer must happen ingame.

And this is just one single prominent seller, on one ebay account.. There are many more on ebay and other auction sites.
Not to mention dedicated character sale sites, as well as other RMT sites for more specific ingame items.

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OP, by all means ask CCP, cos you want to play it straight. Risk in EVE is separate from risk outside of EVE.
But considering how much RMT is apparently happening, I very much doubt they will concern themselves with your deal with your friend. There are much larger fish to fry.

If I get bored or possibly angry enough, I may crusade on this RMT issue.

Its our money that we put into EVE, that these RMT elements are exploiting/leveraging for personal profit, and withdrawing them from the ingame isk market where they belong. They are selling, for money profit, what we paid for in money, thereby:
a) Screwing CCP out of the money profit from re-sale of their property
b) Screwing us by removing them from the ingame market in isk

Hey troll, we already talked about you posting this bullshit. Please stop spreading false information.

Plex trading is something that doesn't hurt CCP. I can't really see that RMT will influence Plex Prices NOW as gambling sides are offline. CCP gets their money for PLex anyway.

What is hurting CCP is trade for injectors and ships because otherwise you would buy plex to get it, so CCP is loosing money there.

1) Yes, all PLEX is originally paid to CCP. But in RMT, PLEX is resold for profit that CCP does not get. RMT PLEX is cheaper than PLEX from CCP. Since PLEX price ingame doubled in one year, PLEX purchased for ISK before that change in price can now be resold ingame for twice the value of the cost in ISK, so that 2 PLEX bought 1 year ago in ISK, can now be re-sold as 4 RMT PLEXes. They double the IRL value money value of their PLEX in a market that is twice as likely to buy PLEX for equivalent ingame value of twice the isk, and cheaper through RMT. And they only had to buy those PLEXes with isk.

2) Do you understand what I mean? PLEX price, in ISK, was half that of today. So all those PLEXes purchased in isk at that time can now be sold to players that want PLEX (rationally, either as an investment or as a method to resell ingame for isk) for twice the value in RMT.

3) Each PLEX they bought back then, is worth 2 PLEX today, also in RMT, because they ONLY PAID ISK to buy them, and at half the cost. Meaning they earn entirely free real money profit on their sale, in RMT. The value of each PLEX they bought back then, in isk or money, can be translated into 2 PLEXs, for RMT today. Its enormously lucrative in money, as leveraged against a virtual currency in ready supply. They paid isk for the PLEXs. They earn 2x the value of their isk investment back then, in RL money in RTM. They literally get 2 PLEX value in RL money, in RTM, for funny money invested in buying 1 PLEX ingame.

If you bought 1 PLEX off the isk market a year ago, you can now sell them for just under the value of 2 PLEX on RMT (if you risk it). That is pure, real money, profit. Nvm the isk.

4) Injectors: Untold numbers of characters have been stripmined for injectors for RMT sale. Injectors are a bad deal, overall, systemically. Yes, people buy them. but for the end user, they are impaired unless you are under 5mil xp, or deadset on fast advancement. The new alpha system will no doubt invigorate this market to push new accounts upto 5mil, but again, this may come substantially from an RTM market, and the RTM market benefits from withdrawing its Injector units off the general market ingame for isk.