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CCP - thats really what you wanted with the harvesting drone ??

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Commander Spurty
#21 - 2016-11-25 12:38:25 UTC
You know this screams of "he brought more ISK to the fight and won" in reality.

Leave high sec and go to somewhere you can do something about it. Just, know there will be a response

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

Built by CCP

Sir BloodArgon Aulmais
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2016-11-25 14:50:57 UTC
1 - You can't bump someone away from their drones. They will follow, and won't lose control unless the ship warps.
2 - Only the faction ice drones are that valuable, otherwise they're supposedly pretty cheap. (Everyone mixes up the rorqual drones, like they don't bother to read patch notes)
3 - Orca mining speed hardly matters when you can fill 250k+m3 without moving and way less clicks than a mackinaw.

In short, get over it or do something about it. CCP wanted the boosting ships to become more involved with mining. And the risk vs reward is definitely there, these orcas wouldn't be in belt otherwise.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#23 - 2016-11-25 16:03:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Sir BloodArgon Aulmais wrote:
1 - You can't bump someone away from their drones. They will follow, and won't lose control unless the ship warps.
2 - Only the faction ice drones are that valuable, otherwise they're supposedly pretty cheap. (Everyone mixes up the rorqual drones, like they don't bother to read patch notes)
3 - Orca mining speed hardly matters when you can fill 250k+m3 without moving and way less clicks than a mackinaw.

In short, get over it or do something about it. CCP wanted the boosting ships to become more involved with mining. And the risk vs reward is definitely there, these orcas wouldn't be in belt otherwise.


The bumping is to reduce the yield or to bump that so the roids are out of drone range, because mining drones are really slow, so the more the Orca is away from the roids the less yield they have, this is another reason why as an AFK mining method they are not that great, but of course that would ruin some peoples whining narrative. Orca's look fine to me, you have to have top mining drone skills to make them worthwhile and you still have to get close to the roids, the moaning of some people is a bit sad to be honest.

PS your post is not a moan, but in terms of 3. you are wrong check the speed issue of the drones, you should pay attention to what roid is being mined and get close to it.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#24 - 2016-11-25 16:07:31 UTC
powdemonic Ellecon wrote:
you do realize that the orcas cannot mine as good as a single procurer even with harvester and the boost don't work on the drones either thus they are not doing very well and in high sec, pfft, please they are losing lots of isk so don't get upset for the stoopid people that think they are being genius's

We are talking about AFK mining and not yield if you are at the keyboard. The Orca will be able to mine a lot longer do to the insane Ore hold alone so it will get much more ISK per required click. Also the Hulk will outperform your procurer for non-AFK mining, so it looks you are the one "losing lots of ISK" in here in every possible scenario.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#25 - 2016-11-25 16:10:00 UTC
Also welcome back Drac, looks like you are still projecting tears everywhere. I look forward to more Orca fleets once this becomes more widespread.
Baggo Hammers
#26 - 2016-11-25 16:14:12 UTC
Matthias Ancaladron wrote:
Meanwhile alpha clones stuck in a venture with two t1 turrets.



Wait! People who sub get more than freeloaders???


Not right!

If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there.

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#27 - 2016-11-25 16:15:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Also welcome back Drac, looks like you are still projecting tears everywhere. I look forward to more Orca fleets once this becomes more widespread.


Thanks it is good to be back, I noticed a couple of changes and a recent event over a JF kill which means at last some policing is taking place, which gave me some faith in CCP again. So I re-subbed, is that tears from me, I don't think so, though I don't expect CODE in its weakened state can do much about them Orcas, but you can bump them away from the roids as your correctly stated earlier and I am sure you will. Go get them tiger...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#28 - 2016-11-25 16:21:52 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
powdemonic Ellecon wrote:
you do realize that the orcas cannot mine as good as a single procurer even with harvester and the boost don't work on the drones either thus they are not doing very well and in high sec, pfft, please they are losing lots of isk so don't get upset for the stoopid people that think they are being genius's

We are talking about AFK mining and not yield if you are at the keyboard. The Orca will be able to mine a lot longer do to the insane Ore hold alone so it will get much more ISK per required click. Also the Hulk will outperform your procurer for non-AFK mining, so it looks you are the one "losing lots of ISK" in here in every possible scenario.


Is ISK per click a relevant metric now?
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#29 - 2016-11-25 16:23:07 UTC
Soel Reit wrote:
question, shooting drones: criminal or suspect flag?


Criminal.

I know first hand by the hilarious of a nightmare. Probably should of took a shot at the guy on grid at that point but vOv...
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#30 - 2016-11-25 16:33:19 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
powdemonic Ellecon wrote:
you do realize that the orcas cannot mine as good as a single procurer even with harvester and the boost don't work on the drones either thus they are not doing very well and in high sec, pfft, please they are losing lots of isk so don't get upset for the stoopid people that think they are being genius's

We are talking about AFK mining and not yield if you are at the keyboard. The Orca will be able to mine a lot longer do to the insane Ore hold alone so it will get much more ISK per required click. Also the Hulk will outperform your procurer for non-AFK mining, so it looks you are the one "losing lots of ISK" in here in every possible scenario.


Is ISK per click a relevant metric now?

For AFK mining which is what talk about yes
Sir BloodArgon Aulmais
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2016-11-25 16:39:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Sir BloodArgon Aulmais
Dracvlad wrote:
PS your post is not a moan, but in terms of 3. you are wrong check the speed issue of the drones, you should pay attention to what roid is being mined and get close to it.


Telling me to pay attention... Iv cleaned several belts with my orca. I don't think you've ever even flown one. You stay on top of the rocks, not orbiting them like a venture. 5 clicks per 15 minutes, all roids within 1-3km away, it works plenty fine. I can sit in a belt for hours. Is it a hulk mining rate? No. Its not suppose to be. But I empty my ore hold once a day. When theres no more rocks near, you use the tactical grid to move up the belt a smidge. I think I do well for myself considering standard skills and only using t2 drones.

All this in addition to being able to boost other miners? These changes are amazing. People whined about the orca and rorq being off grid and useless, stating theres nothing that could be done to make them worth using in belt, and now we got people whining about them being TOO good. Sheesh.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#32 - 2016-11-25 16:57:39 UTC
Sir BloodArgon Aulmais wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
PS your post is not a moan, but in terms of 3. you are wrong check the speed issue of the drones, you should pay attention to what roid is being mined and get close to it.


Telling me to pay attention... Iv cleaned several belts with my orca. I don't think you've ever even flown one. You stay on top of the rocks, not orbiting them like a venture. 5 clicks per 15 minutes, all roids within 1-3km away, it works plenty fine. I can sit in a belt for hours. Is it a hulk mining rate? No. Its not suppose to be. But I empty my ore hold once a day. When theres no more rocks near, you use the tactical grid to move up the belt a smidge. I think I do well for myself considering standard skills and only using t2 drones.

All this in addition to being able to boost other miners? These changes are amazing. People whined about the orca and rorq being off grid and useless, stating theres nothing that could be done to make them worth using in belt, and now we got people whining about them being TOO good. Sheesh.


Actually I was talking about paying attention to your distance to the roid not telling you to pay attention as an insult. As for your dig, I have an Orca mate and have had one since 2011, I went out and tested it, see earlier where I said my mining drone skills were sub optimal, the comment is more to focus on the AFK nature of this approach that people will moan about, if you go AFK and leave it to it then your yield will suffer, you should be operating your Orca to move close to the roids being mined which is why I made that point. I am going to sort out T2 drones and have some fun.

Orca's are interesting and I think that they are set up about right, people are moaning about them because they are an effort to kill, but they should be.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#33 - 2016-11-25 17:02:33 UTC
Rob Six wrote:
Entered my Icebelt today.

11 other ship there - not unusual.

But wait -- Orcas only.

Each of them AFK drone-mining his own asteroid....

That what you wanted CCP ? You should have guessed..

BTW..all those Orcas belonged to one guy only..

I nearly got used to the Ice mining Borg Fleet in Agal. You know that guy in his Drake Navy watching over his 25 Skiff Bot Fleet.

But now that really sucks.


CCP.. good job feeding the AFKs and Bots..

And i really start getting positive feelings for CODE.

o7



Here we go, another busy body worrying about others, I don't like code at all but at least they take actions, but your a Mrs. Kravits plain and simple.

Busy body when they see others using their fleets ----> https://youtu.be/-mdFctlvB3w
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#34 - 2016-11-25 17:04:52 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Orca's are interesting and I think that they are set up about right, people are moaning about them because they are an effort to kill, but they should be.

Can you link the post in this thread where someone is moaning about that or are you projecting again. For the record, I use an Orca as well and it just got extremely more useful for the stuff I use it for (not mining)
Shallanna Yassavi
qwertz corp
#35 - 2016-11-25 17:08:59 UTC
Ishido Attaka wrote:
You can scope drones if drone owner loses control over them, can not you? Excavator drones are worth billoins a piece but they can be used only by rorqual, am I right? Good luck bumping it.

But in high sec... If I scope T2 mining drone, which was not mine, will I get suspect flag? Cause bumping afk orcas to scope their few milions worth T2 drones can be serios source of income even if you need to bump orcas 60 km away...

They have to be blown up or forced to warp away if you want their drones.

If you want to pop one, you're looking at ~500k EHP if it's maxed tanked.

A signature :o

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#36 - 2016-11-25 17:12:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Orca's are interesting and I think that they are set up about right, people are moaning about them because they are an effort to kill, but they should be.

Can you link the post in this thread where someone is moaning about that or are you projecting again. For the record, I use an Orca as well and it just got extremely more useful for the stuff I use it for (not mining)


Yeah you have a point, I thought it would be that by implication but I could be wrong, let us see if it turns into as people will say it is not fair as I cannot gank them or kill them when people drop to NPC corps to avoid war decs.

Still if you run them AFK they are not that efficient, if it does allow you to run them AFK, I am testing on a roid which will be the last of its type in the belt, I am interested to see if they switch, that should be something that CCP apply to them to block AFK play. And that is the case, Fiery Kernite, after it was mined out they did nothing..., so good. Even better they only mine repeatedly on the roid targeted, so what the hell is the issue about AFK mining?

EDIT: As I had not really used mining drones to any degree that was something new to me in terms of the drone behaviour. So really when people complain about AFK Orca's they are talking our of their rear end, they are what I call limited attention mining ships like all mining ships and all this hot air about AFK mining is just stupid...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#37 - 2016-11-25 17:44:47 UTC
It can still be ganked. That is the truth. But CCP should learn about their game, not to ban people who did not deserved it.
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